Free yoga class cancelled - is guilty of "cultural appropriation"

[LaCroix]

It's a natural inference, given that the haole instructor was shitcanned because of her ethnicity.

disagree. the two incidences are different. the first incident is a knee-jerk reaction to a complaint. the second incident (replacement hire) isn't a knee-jerk reaction.

besides, this all started because grumbler said "she's not culturally indian - she's only been to india once and was never born there." the cultural indians I know have either never been to india or been there once or maybe twice. also, @malthus, the cultural indians I know consider themselves canadian/american. the point is, you can very easily be culturally X yet never been born there or visited there

now, if there was evidence that spoke to her actual culture, and that evidence showed she wasn't culturally indian... then yes, I'd say "damn, university fucked up twice in a row."

[Valmy]

disagree. the two incidences are different. the first incident is a knee-jerk reaction to a complaint. the second incident (replacement hire) isn't a knee-jerk reaction.

The first was a knee-jerk reaction to somebody's race. The second is...part of that same knee-jerk reaction.

besides, this all started because grumbler said "she's not culturally indian - she's only been to india once and was never born there."

Bullshit. We were talking about this for awhile before grumbler said anything. And anyway she herself admitted she was not going to teach the class any different so...

malthus, the cultural indians I know consider themselves canadian/american. the point is, you can very easily be culturally X yet never been born there or visited there

How is that the point? What exactly are we arguing about?

[LaCroix]

Bullshit. We were talking about this for awhile before grumbler said anything. And anyway she herself admitted she was not going to teach the class any different so...

How is that the point? What exactly are we arguing about?

referring to this

The new teacher isn't Indian herself.  She was born in Canada, and has only even visited India once.  She also apparently has no qualifications other than her perceived "race" and the fact that some people in her family practice yoga.

I was arguing that maybe there's more here than what was stated in that article -- maybe the replacement is both racially indian and culturally indian, despite being born in canada and considering herself canadian.

[Admiral Yi]

Sure, maybe she has a 7th degree black belt in yoga and she just happened to be sitting by her phone.

[LaCroix]

do you know racial indians who are culturally indian but were born in either canada or the US? maybe I have a different perspective because some of the only indians I've ever met meet that qualification. not including the indian families I saw when I lived in california for a few months awhile back.

[Admiral Yi]

Come to think of it, a friend of mine did tell me about an Indian who date raped her.  Not sure if he immigrated though.

[grumbler]

"more assumptions" doesn't work for you. my discussion in the past page started because you and valmy were making the assumption that the replacement was hired solely because of her skin color. I raised the possibility that she wasn't chosen solely because of her skin color. i.e., I was calling you out for making an assumption on flimsy evidence. if you read the posts, you should be able to see this...

I make conclusions based on evidence, which I present.  You draw conclusions based on assumptions which you don't even make explicit.  There's a vast difference between those two approaches.

[grumbler]

besides, this all started because grumbler said "she's not culturally indian - she's only been to india once and was never born there." 

When quoting someone, it is a whole lot more honest to quote what they actually said, not what you wish they'd said.  I certainly didn't make any arguments about people being "culturally Indian," because I think that's a phrase which is mere noise, signifying nothing specific at all.

[grumbler]

...maybe the replacement is both racially indian and culturally indian..,

And what exactly is "racially Indian?"  Is there even a "race" called "Indian?"  Indians are pretty ethnically and genetically diverse.  Are Pakistanis and Bengalis "racially Indian" or did the drawing of the border transform their race as well?

[LaCroix]

I make conclusions based on evidence, which I present.  You draw conclusions based on assumptions which you don't even make explicit.  There's a vast difference between those two approaches.

we're both relying on the same evidence  that's my whole point. your conclusion and the possible conclusion I raised differ based on the same evidence. my whole point has been that your conclusion might not be true because there's another possibility that existed. jesus 

When quoting someone, it is a whole lot more honest to quote what they actually said, not what you wish they'd said.

yeah, I did that. just a few posts ago. you ignored that post 

And what exactly is "racially Indian?"  Is there even a "race" called "Indian?"

I dunno, I'm a freakin' north dakotan. isn't "indian" a race you can check off on some lists? (indian-indian, not injun)

[Eddie Teach]

I think grumbler's taken the position in the past that races don't really exist.

[LaCroix]

I think grumbler's taken the position in the past that races don't really exist.

I don't think that's the case, because it's inconsistent with his earlier post

The new teacher isn't Indian herself.  She was born in Canada, and has only even visited India once.  She also apparently has no qualifications other than her perceived "race" and the fact that some people in her family practice yoga.

I certainly didn't make any arguments about people being "culturally Indian," because I think that's a phrase which is mere noise, signifying nothing specific at all.

And what exactly is "racially Indian?"  Is there even a "race" called "Indian?"

so, we first start with "the new teacher isn't indian herself." what does "indian" refer to here? the next two posts seem to say grumbler wasn't referring to culture OR race. so I guess I'm left to ask: wtf does grumbler think an indian is

[Valmy]

do you know racial indians who are culturally indian but were born in either canada or the US? maybe I have a different perspective because some of the only indians I've ever met meet that qualification. not including the indian families I saw when I lived in california for a few months awhile back.

Ok? Where is your evidence she is one of those types? She seems to have stated explicitly she is not.

[LaCroix]

Ok? Where is your evidence she is one of those types? She seems to have stated explicitly she is not.

I don't know whether she is. I'm not the one attacking the university for making a hiring decision based solely on skin color (which assumes the university made a hiring decision based solely on skin color, which implies the university didn't take other things into consideration).

how has she "stated explicitly she is not [culturally indian]"? if she has said this, then this is new evidence I haven't seen.

[Valmy]

Ok? Where is your evidence she is one of those types? She seems to have stated explicitly she is not.

I don't know whether she is. I'm not the one attacking the university for making a hiring decision based solely on skin color (which assumes the university made a hiring decision based solely on skin color, which implies the university didn't take other things into consideration).

how has she "stated explicitly she is not [culturally indian]"? if she has said this, then this is new evidence I haven't seen.

She said she was a Canadian of Indian background.

And she said they did not ask her if she was going to teach the class any different and did not plan on doing so. So what exactly did they fire the previous instructor for? Hmmmm....