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derspiess

#540
February 09, 2016, 09:13:09 AM
Quote from: grumbler on February 09, 2016, 07:57:48 AM
Seriously, though, "Spygate" has to be the most over-wrought "cheating' scandal of the modern NFL era.  There was no 'sign stealing" scandal; the filming was entirely within the rules, and all teams do it.  The Patriots just did it from a location that Goodall decided was an "unauthorized location."  No rule was ever broken.  No "spying" ever occurred.

Ohhhhh grumbler.  You might want to just stop yourself there.
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grumbler

#541
February 09, 2016, 09:52:50 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 09, 2016, 09:13:09 AM
Ohhhhh grumbler.  You might want to just stop yourself there.

Why?  What are you afraid of hearing?

Belicheck is an asshole, and that is all that "Spygate" is about - him and Goodell butting heads because Goodell tried to unilaterally change the NFL rules on filming.  Goodell could have punished the Jets (yes, the same Jets that complained about the Patriots because they were caught doing this exact same thing to the Patriots in November 2006) to make his point, but chose not to. 

Belicheck versus Goodell is one of those "hope for a meteor" battles, but it's not like the truth behind these "scandals" is hard to find.
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derspiess

#542
February 10, 2016, 09:39:58 AM
Quote from: grumbler on February 09, 2016, 09:52:50 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 09, 2016, 09:13:09 AM
Ohhhhh grumbler.  You might want to just stop yourself there.

Why?  What are you afraid of hearing?

Belicheck is an asshole, and that is all that "Spygate" is about - him and Goodell butting heads because Goodell tried to unilaterally change the NFL rules on filming.  Goodell could have punished the Jets (yes, the same Jets that complained about the Patriots because they were caught doing this exact same thing to the Patriots in November 2006) to make his point, but chose not to. 

Belicheck versus Goodell is one of those "hope for a meteor" battles, but it's not like the truth behind these "scandals" is hard to find.

Belichick being an asshole has nothing to do with it.  Most successful NFL and college coaches are assholes to some degree.  Practically seems to be a prerequisite.

The Patriots filmed other teams' coaches with the intent of stealing signals (and did it repeatedly).  Hell, they even filmed other teams' walkthroughs.  And don't come back with "well everyone does it" because I guarantee you that is not true. 

I understand why you jump to Brady's defense in the Deflategate thing-- he's a Michigan guy and all that.  But it puzzles me why you take the Patriots's side in Spygate.

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Berkut

#543
February 10, 2016, 11:45:56 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 10, 2016, 09:39:58 AM

I understand why you jump to Brady's defense in the Deflategate thing-- he's a Michigan guy and all that.  But it puzzles me why you take the Patriots's side in Spygate.

It goes along with the narrative that tries to exonerate Brady - why would the NFL just make up this complete fiction of deflated balls out of complete thin air? Because they want to get the Pats so bad!

Poor Tommy is just an innocent victim of the NFL witch hunt, because the NFL hates the Pats because they win so much...
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Valmy

#544
February 10, 2016, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: Berkut on February 10, 2016, 11:45:56 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 10, 2016, 09:39:58 AM

I understand why you jump to Brady's defense in the Deflategate thing-- he's a Michigan guy and all that.  But it puzzles me why you take the Patriots's side in Spygate.

It goes along with the narrative that tries to exonerate Brady - why would the NFL just make up this complete fiction of deflated balls out of complete thin air? Because they want to get the Pats so bad!

Poor Tommy is just an innocent victim of the NFL witch hunt, because the NFL hates the Pats because they win so much...

Still waiting for why you don't mind dangerous drug use but get worked up into a rage over a simple hi-jinks like slightly deflating a ball in a blowout :lol:

I got the Ray Lewis thing but this is just stupid.
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Berkut

#545
February 10, 2016, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 10, 2016, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: Berkut on February 10, 2016, 11:45:56 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 10, 2016, 09:39:58 AM

I understand why you jump to Brady's defense in the Deflategate thing-- he's a Michigan guy and all that.  But it puzzles me why you take the Patriots's side in Spygate.

It goes along with the narrative that tries to exonerate Brady - why would the NFL just make up this complete fiction of deflated balls out of complete thin air? Because they want to get the Pats so bad!

Poor Tommy is just an innocent victim of the NFL witch hunt, because the NFL hates the Pats because they win so much...

Still waiting for why you don't mind dangerous drug use but get worked up into a rage over a simple hi-jinks like slightly deflating a ball in a blowout :lol:

I got the Ray Lewis thing but this is just stupid.

WTF are you talking about?

What drug use do I not care about, and what rage am I in over the ball thing?
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grumbler

#546
February 10, 2016, 12:58:05 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 10, 2016, 09:39:58 AM
Belichick being an asshole has nothing to do with it.  Most successful NFL and college coaches are assholes to some degree.  Practically seems to be a prerequisite.

But they aren't successful assholes, and so don't get hammered by the commish.


QuoteThe Patriots filmed other teams' coaches with the intent of stealing signals (and did it repeatedly).  Hell, they even filmed other teams' walkthroughs.  And don't come back with "well everyone does it" because I guarantee you that is not true. 

I don't know how to tell you this, since you expressly say that you don't want to hear it, but every team films the other teams.  And they still do.  Every well-run team, anyway. I can't guarantee anything about the incompetently-run teams.

And the canard about "filmed other teams' walkthroughs" has been so thoroughly discredited that i would have thought even you would know that.  The newspaper that printed that canard also printed a front-page apology for printing it.  That dog don't hunt.

QuoteI understand why you jump to Brady's defense in the Deflategate thing-- he's a Michigan guy and all that.  But it puzzles me why you take the Patriots's side in Spygate.

I take the side of truth.  The facts are out there, if you aren't afraid of what you'll find when you look for them.  If you prefer fairy tales, fine.  Just don't be surprised when you have to stick your fingers in your ears and sing "lah lah lah I can't hear you!" to avoid the truth.
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grumbler

#547
February 10, 2016, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 10, 2016, 11:45:56 AM
It goes along with the narrative that tries to exonerate Brady - why would the NFL just make up this complete fiction of deflated balls out of complete thin air? Because they want to get the Pats so bad!

Poor Tommy is just an innocent victim of the NFL witch hunt, because the NFL hates the Pats because they win so much...

Actually, the narratives of the Brady defenders and the Brady bashers are irrelevant.  Science has shown that there's no case for him or anyone else to answer for.  Not even by the lame-ass "more probable than not because we already decided this" standards for conviction in the NFL front office.

Sorry that that doesn't fit your narrative, either, but there we are.
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garbon

#548
February 10, 2016, 04:04:25 PM
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#549
February 10, 2016, 05:12:16 PM
Grumbler wants to believe (in Brady).
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Berkut

#550
February 10, 2016, 06:33:25 PM
Faith is a powerful tool.
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MadBurgerMaker

#551
February 10, 2016, 07:44:06 PM
Texans vs Raiders in Mexico City next year on a Monday night.  Counting as a Raiders home game.

grumbler

#552
February 10, 2016, 08:04:21 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 10, 2016, 05:12:16 PM
Grumbler wants to believe (in Brady science).
FTFY
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grumbler

#553
February 10, 2016, 08:04:54 PM
Quote from: Berkut on February 10, 2016, 06:33:25 PM
Faith Science is a powerful tool.
FTFY
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Razgovory

#554
February 10, 2016, 08:33:07 PM
Grumbler, Science? :lmfao:
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