The Paris Attack Debate Thread

[Barrister]

Guys while I agree that Islamic-inspired terrorists are the #1 suspect, we don't actually know who has done this terrible attack, or why.  Let's wait for facts before we start debating what to do next.

You're not in court where there is a burden of proof--there have been confirmed, by mainstream, reliable media, reports of Alahu Akbar being screamed during the attacks. This weird post of yours will go down in history as the dumbest thing you've ever said.

Doubtful - I say a lot of dumb things.

But we're not in the court phase yet - we're at the investigation phase.  And a good investigator keeps all options open until their is substantial evidence.  Tunnel vision is the enemy of a good investigation.

[Admiral Yi]

What changes if they are not Muslim psychos?

[mongers]

Guys while I agree that Islamic-inspired terrorists are the #1 suspect, we don't actually know who has done this terrible attack, or why.  Let's wait for facts before we start debating what to do next.

You're not in court where there is a burden of proof--there have been confirmed, by mainstream, reliable media, reports of Alahu Akbar being screamed during the attacks. This weird post of yours will go down in history as the dumbest thing you've ever said.

Doubtful - I say a lot of dumb things.

But we're not in the court phase yet - we're at the investigation phase.  And a good investigator keeps all options open until their is substantial evidence.  Tunnel vision is the enemy of a good investigation.

Would you be happy with a preliminary "God did it" ?

[OttoVonBismarck]

In a dark turn, apparent supporters of ISIL on Twitter were also using the hashtag #باريس_تشتعل (Paris burns) to spread the news. The hashtag is the same that appeared during the bloody January terror attack in Paris on satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo's offices and on a Paris grocery store.

I just don't get this--Twitter should be turning over records on every account that tweets this hashtag, and/or banning accounts--working with the intelligence services to decide on the right course of action. Again--recruitment, incitement to terrorism etc should not be seen as protected speech. I do not understand why ISIS is permitted to use the largest social media platforms with impunity.

[mongers]

What changes if they are not Muslim psychos?

I guess they could be states rights actiivists from Dixie or maybe disgruntled former Michelin star restaurant reviewers. 

[DGuller]

Guys while I agree that Islamic-inspired terrorists are the #1 suspect, we don't actually know who has done this terrible attack, or why.  Let's wait for facts before we start debating what to do next.

You're not in court where there is a burden of proof--there have been confirmed, by mainstream, reliable media, reports of Alahu Akbar being screamed during the attacks. This weird post of yours will go down in history as the dumbest thing you've ever said.

Doubtful - I say a lot of dumb things.

But we're not in the court phase yet - we're at the investigation phase.  And a good investigator keeps all options open until their is substantial evidence.  Tunnel vision is the enemy of a good investigation.

That's a good point.  How about all of us here recuse ourselves from the investigations, can we then employ common sense in these discussion?

[LaCroix]

The enlightenment was largely what moved the West from being this prone to religious violence. The Muslim world has gone through reformations and it's resulted in movements like Wahhabism.

the arab world was crushed and colonized and has been getting back on its feat only recently.

[crazy canuck]

The enlightenment was largely what moved the West from being this prone to religious violence. The Muslim world has gone through reformations and it's resulted in movements like Wahhabism.

Actually Muslim writers have been warning for a long time now that the Muslim world is now going through the equivalent of a Reformation struggle and that is essentially what we are witnessing.

[CountDeMoney]

Actually Muslim writers have been warning for a long time now that the Muslim world is now going through the equivalent of a Reformation struggle and that is essentially what we are witnessing.

Toss in a post-colonial realignment that's been postponed for far too long, and then things get real spicy-like.

[11B4V]

 

[KRonn]

I saw in the news this week that in Indonesia an Imam was calling for the ouster and killing of Christians, to burn churches. Some churches were burnt and Christians attacked. That's new for Indonesia as they've been seen as an example of peaceful coexistence.

And the Germans can speak better to this. Hearing in the news similar type calls there for Muslims to rise up, that as Muslims have more kids they'll overtake Germans, and all that sort of thing and a lot worse, pretty nasty and radical stuff. Saying that Germany will be part of the Caliphate. Lots of attacks on Germans by Muslim youths.

On Greece's island of Lesbos Syrians and others coming ashore are rampaging, pillaging, raping, causing serious problems for the Greeks there.

[CountDeMoney]

I could so totally go for some Syrian lesbians right now.

[Razgovory]

What changes if they are not Muslim psychos?

Probably a lot.  If it's connected to guys coming from ISIS then it could result in military action.  Hitting Russia in one week and the French is not a the way to ensure a long and uneventful life.  If it turns out that it was the work of the Riddler there probably will be no military action.

[KRonn]

So this Paris attack and others such as slaughtering a Jordanian pilot on video, killing Egyptian Copts on video, plus the downing of the Russian airliner, would seem to charge up opposition and you'd think ISIS wouldn't want to keep making so many enemies and bring down so much resistance on their heads. But that's looking at it from another point of view and not theirs. So what is ISIS looking to gain by goading various nations, western and Islamic, into being a lot more active in striking back? Yeah, an ideology isn't easy to break with military action but military force could take out ISIS territory and remove their fledgling Caliphate. Puts them back to square one. That can work against them as it did in Anbar province where Iraqi Sunnis became so fed up with their Al-Qaeda friends and worked with the US/coalition and new Iraqi army during the surge to oust AQ. That was so successful with Iraqi Muslims fighting them that AQ leaders sent out messages to followers to not send any more fighters, that they were done in Iraq. ISIS would know that they can be seriously hurt in their physical lands and be badly set back. So why are they so intent on keeping stirring up the hornet's nest?

[HisMajestyBOB]

In a dark turn, apparent supporters of ISIL on Twitter were also using the hashtag #باريس_تشتعل (Paris burns) to spread the news. The hashtag is the same that appeared during the bloody January terror attack in Paris on satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo's offices and on a Paris grocery store.

I just don't get this--Twitter should be turning over records on every account that tweets this hashtag, and/or banning accounts--working with the intelligence services to decide on the right course of action. Again--recruitment, incitement to terrorism etc should not be seen as protected speech. I do not understand why ISIS is permitted to use the largest social media platforms with impunity.

I saw somewhere that they actually do ban the accounts. It just takes so little effort to for ISIS to just create new accounts almost immediately.