Shootings and explosions in Paris

[Richard Hakluyt]

The guardian has a pretty good live feed :

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/13/shootings-reported-in-eastern-paris-live

[garbon]

The guardian has a pretty good live feed :

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/13/shootings-reported-in-eastern-paris-live

Yeah as much as looking at any source is 'good', they've been the English language source I've been looking at.

[Grallon]

Let's not fight but I think your energies, if directed towards self-focused thoughts would be better aimed at why you jump so quickly to hate on wide swathes of people. Why you generalise to the extreme.

Reconsidering one's stance on immigration is not becoming a neo-nazi...  Or is that too difficult to grasp?



G.

[viper37]

let's wait tomorrow to have that debate, in seperate thread.

[Richard Hakluyt]

The guardian has a pretty good live feed :

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/13/shootings-reported-in-eastern-paris-live

Yeah as much as looking at any source is 'good', they've been the English language source I've been looking at.

Good as in the Guardian has strong links with their Parisian equivalents...........their feed has been far more informative than the BBC's so far.

[Legbiter]

Pictures.






http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3317776/Machine-gun-fire-heard-central-Paris-police-flood-scene-not-far-Charlie-Hebdo-shootings.html

[garbon]

The guardian has a pretty good live feed :

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/13/shootings-reported-in-eastern-paris-live

Yeah as much as looking at any source is 'good', they've been the English language source I've been looking at.

Good as in the Guardian has strong links with their Parisian equivalents...........their feed has been far more informative than the BBC's so far.

Oh I didn't mean to be critical of your use of good.

[garbon]

let's wait tomorrow to have that debate, in seperate thread.

Yeah, I'm not touching that.

[Josephus]

Looks like cops storming concert venue.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Here's the issue, I do not think you can just say "these are a small number of extremists, you cannot judge broadly" and just rely on the numbers. Yes, there are over a billion Muslims, yes, only a super small percentage carry out terrorist attacks. But the problem is that these attacks are largely glorified, to a degree not seen really with anything else in the modern world, in the broader Muslim world. Are they glorified by all Muslims? Of course not. But they're glorified by a very concerning percentage, based on the reactions we've seen to these attacks around the world.

Like how many anti-immigrant Christians celebrated Breivik's massacre? Maybe like 100 people, across all of Europe. How many Muslims around the world celebrated 9/11? The Charlie Hebdo attack? The 3/11 attacks in Spain? Etc. Muslim youth are enthralled by videos the jihadists put out, and while only a small portion of them will actually radicalize and become violent there's a serious, international cultural problem going on. It's not just limited to Muslim hell hole warzone countries like Syria and Iraq. You're seeing thousands of Muslims come from stable and moderate Muslim countries in Southeast Asia to fight in jihad in the Middle East. You're seeing British Muslims in concerning numbers radicalize and go to the Middle East on jihad, this is gravely concerning behavior and crosses national and ethnic boundaries.

It's not as simple as just saying "only a few are killing people." In the 1920s only a few small percentage of Southerners put on white bedsheets and started lynching blacks. But how many "respectable" Southerners quietly cheered them on? How many would serve on juries that acquitted even the most blatant murderers? How many didn't cheer, but quietly supported them? How many didn't care enough to speak out against it? No one questions there were profound problems with Southern society in regards to race in that era, because no one naively says that "only a small number ever lynched blacks or joined the Klan", it's recognized the Klan was the tip of a spear that represented a gravely immoral and unacceptable cultural ethos in the Southern states during that time.

[Richard Hakluyt]

NP garbon.

I only looked at the news on the offchance, was planning on a major LOTRO session

[mongers]

Possible good news, a CNN producer near the concert hall reports police bringing out first around 100 people, then another group of 20 out and then a single injured young man, CNN went on to discuss/conjecture the gunman still holding another dozen people.

My fear is the producer might have been seeing groups of people in nearby buildings being led to safety rather than those from the concert.

[garbon]

NP garbon.

I only looked at the news on the offchance, was planning on a major LOTRO session

I know I'm kicking myself that I looked at the news.

[OttoVonBismarck]

There's some reports the police are visibly "less tense" at the concert hall. I can only speculate if that's the case they must have eyes on the dead attackers inside.

[Josephus]

Reuters saying concert hall operation over, two attackers killed