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New Star Trek series coming in 2017

Started by Syt, November 02, 2015, 01:24:04 PM

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Agelastus

On reflection, I'm fairly certain that I recall more DS9 episodes than original series Star Trek episodes. :hmm:

And on the subject I can only immediately bring three STTNG episodes to mind - the first episode, the last, and the one where Ro and Geordi were moved out of phase and spent a lot of the episode running through walls. Given there's seven seasons of it, and I watched it all, that's rather a poor return.

I'm with BB on this one - DS9 was the best Star Trek series.
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Razgovory

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 02, 2015, 04:53:19 PM
I don't know. Janeway was the most "morally ambiguous" character to ever appear in a starfleet uniform.

That's cause they kept mixing up the scripts with the show being filmed in the studio next door, Psycho Boss.
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Josephus

Quote from: Barrister on November 02, 2015, 02:57:18 PM
Quote from: Malthus on November 02, 2015, 02:54:49 PM
It would be great if they brought back the original concept - a ship wandering around looking into stuff, using a lot of different writers, not caring overly about 'canon' - but I doubt it can be done.

Nobody does shows like that anymore though.

Purely episodic shows were perfect for the broadcast tv era - where if you happened to miss a show, it didn't matter because there was no carry-over from episode to episode.  But in the streaming era, where you can watch the show when and how you want, it makes more sense to give it an overarching plot and theme that develops from episode to episode.

They can still do that though. A combination of both. "let's explore other planets" stuff, with an overarching story line. Kind of X-Files ish in that you had stand alones with the myth arc. TNG did this to a lesser effect with their borg story line and the Q story lines
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Quote from: Agelastus on November 02, 2015, 05:08:33 PM
On reflection, I'm fairly certain that I recall more DS9 episodes than original series Star Trek episodes. :hmm:

And on the subject I can only immediately bring three STTNG episodes to mind - the first episode, the last, and the one where Ro and Geordi were moved out of phase and spent a lot of the episode running through walls. Given there's seven seasons of it, and I watched it all, that's rather a poor return.

I'm with BB on this one - DS9 was the best Star Trek series.

You don't remember the first encounter with the Borg? I remember that far better than any other episode.
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grumbler

TOS started out great, but devolved over the second season and became crap by the third.  I think that they had the advantage of being the first SF TV show, and so could take advantage of a lot of pent-up creativity among the SF writers of the day, but that wore off, and soon much lessor writers were doing the episodes.

I think you need a stable of writers, with the occasional outside non-arc script.  I don't think you can sustain quality writing using just outsiders.
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viper37

Quote from: Malthus on November 02, 2015, 04:51:50 PM
People remember (for good or bad) what happened in ToS shows, because the plots were often interesting (or amusingly bad  ;) ). Few remember the contents of any particular DS9 show.
I remember most episodes...

One other factor: it was a series about a war.  From the 1st season on, they were preparing you for a conflict with the Dominion.  Lots of people don't like the idea of wars in sci-fi.
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grumbler

And the most memorable TNG episode for me was the one where the find the sole survivor of a devastated planet, who turns out to be much more than he appears.  It was a brilliant morality play.
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garbon

Quote from: Agelastus on November 02, 2015, 05:08:33 PM
On reflection, I'm fairly certain that I recall more DS9 episodes than original series Star Trek episodes. :hmm:

And on the subject I can only immediately bring three STTNG episodes to mind - the first episode, the last, and the one where Ro and Geordi were moved out of phase and spent a lot of the episode running through walls. Given there's seven seasons of it, and I watched it all, that's rather a poor return.

I'm with BB on this one - DS9 was the best Star Trek series.

Theoretically, I can see how DS9 was better than Voyager. Better than TNG? No fucking way.
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viper37

Miles ahead TNG, but that's irrelevant.  There would be no DS9 without TNG.  There's no way Star Trek could have skipped directly to a DS9 show coming from TOS.
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Quote from: celedhring on November 02, 2015, 03:00:45 PM
Episodic shows do have a place, though. I love being able to just drop into an episode of procedural X or sitcom Y without having to invest so much time into it.

Sitcoms, sure. They don't need an arc, in fact hardly any have them (only Soap and Arrested Development spring to mind. And Silicon Valley if it counts.)

Procedurals are kinda boring because they just don't get enough time to develop something unique.
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Tonitrus

They could just start doing a rebooted TNG using the new films as a baseline, and have some BSG elements.  Give Picard some hair this time, keep the beard off Riker, give Deanna even bigger tits, and make Worf a woman.

viper37

Worf is a man!  :ultra:

You're trying as hard as you can to get lynched by a furious trekker's mob or what? :P
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Quote from: viper37 on November 02, 2015, 09:48:52 PM
Worf is a man!  :ultra:

You're trying as hard as you can to get lynched by a furious trekker's mob or what? :P

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Barrister

It's obvious what they should do - just pull a "next" next generation.  Advance the timeline 20 years (so there is some room for cameos).  Update the look of ships, uniforms, and what not.  They're piloting the Enterprise-H or whatever.  Set up an over-arcing plotline for the next five years and have at it.
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Syt

TNG was the better sci-fi show (esp. seasons 3-5), while DS9 was the better drama.

Enterprise attempted to do story arcs (Temporal Cold War, the Xindi), but ended up largely 'meh'. It didn't help that Archer was written even more inconsistently (and borderline insane in the first seasons - watch "Night in Sickbay" or SF Debris' review) than even Janeway.

Voyager had potential - stranded in hostile space, with a crew made up of rivaling factions, trying to get home while struggling to stick to the Federation's principles. Unfortunately, many times it didn't deliver on the promise. Episodes like "Year of Hell" or "Equinox" gave a glimpse of what could have been. It's weakness was also that there was rarely a feeling of doom or actual danger for the crew. Overall, Galactica would deliver on the basic premise (a dramatic trek through space while trying to stay alive).
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