Poland's Elections Thread 2015

[Valmy]

I suspect this is an anti-immigrant statement. Pretty rich for the colonizers of Chicago.

[Monoriu]

Some crucial information is missing.  Like which party has the lowest tax implications on you.

No practical impact. I am already paying a 19% flat income tax rate thanks to an optimisation structure that is unlikely to be affected by anything they do.

I think some of them are planning to reduce VAT and some to increase it but not by a huge amount.

19%. 

Ours is 15%   It is not even a flat tax, rather a cap on a progressive tax system.  I think only like two thousand people pay 15% here. 

[Martinus]

Actually PiS is thinking of taxing me at a higher level apparently. But hopefully nothing will come out of it.

[Zanza]

Are they still virulently anti-German?

[Martinus]

Are they still virulently anti-German?

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: they are pretty much virulently anti anyone who isn't them.

[Martinus]

Incidentally, late polls are showing PiS's majority waning somewhat, but it is still there. The biggest question mark is the United Left I voted for (see the first post) - they need 8% to get in (as they are running as a coalition) but in the late polls have only 7.5% (unfortunately, the fucking commies from the extreme left party that I didn't even mention before had a good performance in the pre-election debate and stole at least 1 percentage point from the United Left - themselves, of course, they did not cross the threshold but got the solid 4%). So on a final count, if the United Left makes up for the lacking 0.5%, it may take away some of the PiS's MPs (our voting calculation system favours the winner - so the more "lost votes" there are, the better their result, proportionally to others).

KORWiN is also just below their threshold of 5% but I hope they do not get in.

The party of the populist musician came third. 

[Martinus]

The final late poll results, by the way, are:

PIS - 37.7%
PO - 23.6%
KUKIZ - 8.7%
Nowoczesna - 7.7% (gets in)
ZL (United Left) - 7.5% (needs 8% to get in)
PSL - 5.2% (gets in)
KORWIN - 4.9% (needs 5% to get in)
Razem (the communists) - 3.9%

[dps]

Actually PiS is thinking of taxing me at a higher level apparently. But hopefully nothing will come out of it.

Odd that they would levy an extra tax on you, specifically. 

[Martinus]

Well, they want the progressive tax rate to apply to self-employed people. But if that happens, I will just start a tax-transparent partnership with a friend and still pay 19% tax.

[Martinus]

Also, I am coming to a conclusion that I will be much better off voting for liberals rather than social-democrats. Unlike most other Western nations, social democrats actually consistently do worse in elections than liberals, and while liberals are not considering gay marriage their priority (although they are still for it), they will not hike my taxes. Especially now that social-democrats are saying they should change their focus from "civil rights issues" to "social issues", it is becoming a no-brainer.

[Tamas]

Actually PiS is thinking of taxing me at a higher level apparently. But hopefully nothing will come out of it.

Some socialist you are.

[Tamas]

Also, I am coming to a conclusion that I will be much better off voting for liberals rather than social-democrats. Unlike most other Western nations, social democrats actually consistently do worse in elections than liberals, and while liberals are not considering gay marriage their priority (although they are still for it), they will not hike my taxes. Especially now that social-democrats are saying they should change their focus from "civil rights issues" to "social issues", it is becoming a no-brainer.

Right. Redistribution is a great idea as long as its not your money being redistributed.

[Martinus]

Meh, I have always been more pink than red - I support leftist agenda, but mainly when it comes to the so-called world-view or moral issues. And they, on balance, matter to me more than the "social" or "economic" matters. The problem is that until recently this has only been championed by the social-democrats but it is changing, somewhat.

If we had conservatives with views like David Cameron, I would probably vote for them.

[Syt]

So, with the absolute majority in parliament, what are the odds of PiS starting to Orbanize the country?

[Martinus]

So, with the absolute majority in parliament, what are the odds of PiS starting to Orbanize the country?

Oh they will definitely try - that has been their official programme ("Making Warsaw the second Budapest"). But it remains to be seen if they manage. They cannot turn to Putin for cash, and Poland is generally much bigger country than Hungary so I suspect it will not be as easy to turn it around.