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Buzz Aldrin: To Infinity and Beyond!

Started by Savonarola, June 25, 2009, 03:16:37 PM

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Savonarola

From CNN:

QuoteCommentary: Let's aim for MarsStory Highlights
     
Editor's note: Buzz Aldrin, whose new book is "Magnificent Desolation," was one of the two American astronauts who were the first people to set foot on the moon.

Buzz Aldrin walks on the moon in a photo taken by Neil Armstrong, his colleague on the 1969 mission.

1 of 3  (CNN) -- Four decades have passed since the summer of 1969, when Neil Armstrong, Mike Collins and I flew America's first lunar landing mission.

The passage of time has not faded either the memory of that summer or the importance of what we achieved, for our mission was about more than just exploring the moon.

On July 20, 1969, Neil and I were peering out the window of our lunar lander, the Eagle, as it descended toward the lunar surface. The ship's computer was steering us toward a field of boulders the size of cars.

That same computer -- with less power than today's pocket calculators -- was signaling that it was overworked and dangerously overloaded. Our single tank of fuel was nearly empty as we approached the surface, invisible to us, cloaked in a cloud of swirling dust.

Neil took manual control and flew us toward a smoother terrain. Then, as the shadow of our landing gear appeared etched onto the surface in the gloom, a light on our console flashed that contact had been made.

"Houston, Tranquility Base Here," Neil radioed to the listening world back home. "The Eagle has landed!"

For more than two hours, we explored the moon's dusty surface. We could easily tell that the planet we had landed on was very different from our home. The horizon visibly curved away in the distance, a sign of the moon's much smaller landscape.

When my boot struck moon dust, the soils flew away in a straight line, a sign of the lighter gravity load, one-sixth that of Earth. When I looked around the stark landscape, it was a magnificent desolation.

An uninviting world greeted us in eerie silence, hostile to our presence and to all visitors from Earth.

The following day, we rocketed up off the surface, rejoined Mike Collins orbiting alone in our command ship, the Columbia, and headed home to a hero's welcome.


Buzz Aldrin on 'American Morning'
That welcome took us all around the world in parades, banquets and greetings from millions. I was astonished that so many had followed every facet of our flight from start to finish, almost as if they were part of the adventure. That spirit, of a world come together in celebration of a peaceful scientific achievement, was perhaps our greatest legacy.

More than just exploring a hostile new world, Apollo 11 was about bold vision and great risk, about the obstacles a great nation could overcome with dedication, courage and teamwork. It was about choosing a goal that exceeded our grasp -- and then reaching across history to make it happen.

For me, the most difficult part of the mission wasn't what happened during the flight but what happened after we came home. Without a new mission to train for, I felt lost and without a purpose. My personal life was marked by deep depression and bouts of drinking. Nothing I did seemed to have meaning or motivation for me.

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I left the Air Force, the space program, and was adrift. But then, as I began to recover my bearings, something wonderful happened. I met a woman, Lois Driggs Cannon, who helped me to climb out of my depression and see a role for me in space -- but this time while on Earth.

I came to dedicate my life to opening space to the average person and crafting designs for new spaceships that could take us far from home. But since Apollo ended, such travels were only in our collective memory.

For these past decades, our country has achieved great things in space. It has built a reusable spacecraft and flown it more than 100 times. It has orbited great observatories that have unlocked the secrets of the universe.

Most impressively, it has helped construct an orbiting laboratory that offers the prospect of long-term research into the effects of space flight, research that can not just improve the health and safety of our astronauts but also of people on Earth. But what America hasn't done is inspire the world -- and itself --with a bold vision for our future in space.

We have remained, since our Apollo days, locked in Earth orbit. But five years ago, NASA was tasked with returning to the moon by 2020, rerunning the moon race that we won 40 years ago. Not surprisingly, this new race has failed to ignite the imagination of young Americans -- or their leaders.

What we truly need is not more Cold War-style competition but a destination in space that offers great rewards for the risks to achieve it. I believe that destination must be homesteading Mars, the first human colony on another world.

By refocusing our space program on Mars for America's future, we can restore the sense of wonder and adventure in space exploration that we knew in the summer of 1969. We won the moon race; now it's time for us to live and work on Mars, first on its moons and then on its surface.

Exploring and colonizing Mars can bring us new scientific understanding of climate change, of how planet-wide processes can make a warm and wet world into a barren landscape. By exploring and understanding Mars, we may gain key insights into the past and future of our own world.

Just as Mars -- a desert planet -- gives us insights into global climate change on Earth, the promise awaits for bringing back to life portions of the Red Planet through the application of Earth Science to its similar chemistry, possibly reawakening its life-bearing potential.


Four decades ago, I was privileged to have been part of a great mission of exploration and discovery. But America's future in space has only just started. It is time for us to continue the journey.

As an engineer I do appreciate the excitement of manned space flight to Mars, and all the new toys we'd need to build to get there; but what would be the point of colonizing it?  :unsure:
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MadImmortalMan

Quote from: Savonarola on June 25, 2009, 03:16:37 PM
As an engineer I do appreciate the excitement of manned space flight to Mars, and all the new toys we'd need to build to get there; but what would be the point of colonizing it?  :unsure:

So we don't all die if Earth has a catastrophe I guess.
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Berkut

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 25, 2009, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 25, 2009, 03:16:37 PM
As an engineer I do appreciate the excitement of manned space flight to Mars, and all the new toys we'd need to build to get there; but what would be the point of colonizing it?  :unsure:

So we don't all die if Earth has a catastrophe I guess.

Do you think any colony on Mars could *ever* be completely self-sufficient?
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Quote from: Berkut on June 25, 2009, 03:28:04 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 25, 2009, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 25, 2009, 03:16:37 PM
As an engineer I do appreciate the excitement of manned space flight to Mars, and all the new toys we'd need to build to get there; but what would be the point of colonizing it?  :unsure:

So we don't all die if Earth has a catastrophe I guess.
Do you think any colony on Mars could *ever* be completely self-sufficient?
Depends on whether we could terraform it or not.

Anyways the final goal should be a planet around a near by star, and if we are ever going to develop technology that can get there, we'll have to develop the technology to get to Mars first.
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Berkut

Sure would suck if we spent huge resources on colonizing a planet around a nearby star, and then some other star went Nova and wiped both the Earth and our colony out.

Although in that case, I guess it wouldn't matter that we wasted all those resources.
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Quote from: Berkut on June 25, 2009, 03:33:35 PM
Sure would suck if we spent huge resources on colonizing a planet around a nearby star, and then some other star went Nova and wiped both the Earth and our colony out.

Although in that case, I guess it wouldn't matter that we wasted all those resources.
The real world isn't star trek, the closest star that could go nova is too far away for the blast wave to do anything. The only way we could be damaged is if we were unlucky and got hit by a gamma ray burst. However the odds against both the earth and our interstellar colony would both be inline of the same burst is astronomical.
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Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Savonarola on June 25, 2009, 03:16:37 PM
but what would be the point of colonizing it?  :unsure:

just because we can, or to find out iof we can. There needs to be no other point.

Faeelin

Rather than terafforming Mars, wouldn't it make sense to fix the Earth?

I mean, if we have the magic ability to give a dead world oceans, an atmosphere, an ozone layer, magnetic fields, functioning ecosystems... Why not fix Jersey?

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Faeelin on June 25, 2009, 03:48:22 PM
Rather than terafforming Mars, wouldn't it make sense to fix the Earth?

I mean, if we have the magic ability to give a dead world oceans, an atmosphere, an ozone layer, magnetic fields, functioning ecosystems... Why not fix Jersey?
Better to experiment with a dead world before you play around with a live one, and the methods could be quite violent, impact wise.
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Malthus

Quote from: Faeelin on June 25, 2009, 03:48:22 PM
Rather than terafforming Mars, wouldn't it make sense to fix the Earth?

I mean, if we have the magic ability to give a dead world oceans, an atmosphere, an ozone layer, magnetic fields, functioning ecosystems... Why not fix Jersey?

Obviously making Mars habitable is going to be easier than making New Jersey habitable. Everyone knows that, who has been through Newark.  :P
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Neil

Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 25, 2009, 03:29:35 PM
Depends on whether we could terraform it or not.
You can't.  At least not in any kind of a reasonable timeframe.
QuoteAnyways the final goal should be a planet around a near by star, and if we are ever going to develop technology that can get there, we'll have to develop the technology to get to Mars first.
To be honest, I'm not sure there's enough time for that.  It might not be a reasonable goal.  I mean, you'd probably have to invent a feasible way to build a ramscoop.  Then, you'd have to send ramrobots to nearby stars, and you're probably looking at 20-30 years one way, and a huge cost.  Then, the robots explore the local system (add another decade), and radio their findings back to Earth (another decade).  Then, assuming that an earth-like planet is found, another ramrobot with a planetary probe has to be sent out to verify things like atmospheric composition, molecular chirality, those sorts of things (another 30-40 years).  Then, the slowboats that would carry the settlers would have to be built, supplied and crewed.  And assuming that we don't get a decent ramscoop, you can multiply those travel times by a factor of ten or more.
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Neil on June 25, 2009, 03:59:41 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 25, 2009, 03:29:35 PM
Depends on whether we could terraform it or not.
You can't.  At least not in any kind of a reasonable timeframe.
QuoteAnyways the final goal should be a planet around a near by star, and if we are ever going to develop technology that can get there, we'll have to develop the technology to get to Mars first.
To be honest, I'm not sure there's enough time for that.  It might not be a reasonable goal.  I mean, you'd probably have to invent a feasible way to build a ramscoop.  Then, you'd have to send ramrobots to nearby stars, and you're probably looking at 20-30 years one way, and a huge cost.  Then, the robots explore the local system (add another decade), and radio their findings back to Earth (another decade).  Then, assuming that an earth-like planet is found, another ramrobot with a planetary probe has to be sent out to verify things like atmospheric composition, molecular chirality, those sorts of things (another 30-40 years).  Then, the slowboats that would carry the settlers would have to be built, supplied and crewed.  And assuming that we don't get a decent ramscoop, you can multiply those travel times by a factor of ten or more.
The next generation space telescopes will be able to tell if near by planets are habitable.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Savonarola

Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 25, 2009, 04:01:14 PM
The next generation space telescopes will be able to tell if near by planets are habitable.

Interesting; how can they do that?
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Quote from: Savonarola on June 25, 2009, 04:03:49 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 25, 2009, 04:01:14 PM
The next generation space telescopes will be able to tell if near by planets are habitable.

Interesting; how can they do that?

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