Poland Was Partly to Blame for World War II, says Russia

Started by Syt, September 27, 2015, 06:02:18 AM

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Martinus

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I wonder what would be the outcome if Poland acted like Hungary and sided with Hitler in 1930s. Or if this was an option at all.

Because we are probably the only country in Europe that got the shittiest end of the stick - first being subject to the nazi occupation and then ending up in the Soviet bloc. Noone else had that shitty luck.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Martinus on September 27, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Because we are probably the only country in Europe that got the shittiest end of the stick - first being subject to the nazi occupation and then ending up in the Soviet bloc. Noone else had that shitty luck.

Czechoslovakia definitely did.  The Baltics, Byelorussia, and the Ukraine did.  Even the erstwhile Axis minor allies experienced some degree of "occupation" once their governments decided to make separate peaces.

DGuller

Quote from: Martinus on September 27, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
I wonder what would be the outcome if Poland acted like Hungary and sided with Hitler in 1930s. Or if this was an option at all.

Because we are probably the only country in Europe that got the shittiest end of the stick - first being subject to the nazi occupation and then ending up in the Soviet bloc. Noone else had that shitty luck.
Well, Poland did get a lot of German territories out of the whole deal, while losing the shit they're better off without.  And they've pretty much been the only big country in that region that won the aftermath of the Cold War.

Martinus

Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 27, 2015, 02:06:05 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 27, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Because we are probably the only country in Europe that got the shittiest end of the stick - first being subject to the nazi occupation and then ending up in the Soviet bloc. Noone else had that shitty luck.

Czechoslovakia definitely did.  The Baltics, Byelorussia, and the Ukraine did.  Even the erstwhile Axis minor allies experienced some degree of "occupation" once their governments decided to make separate peaces.

Not really. Czechoslovakia was annexed "peacefully" and did not suffer through the same kind of oppression Poland did as a conquered country. The Baltics weren't even occupied - the people there welcomed the nazis.

The Brain

Quote from: Martinus on September 27, 2015, 02:28:44 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 27, 2015, 02:06:05 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 27, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
Because we are probably the only country in Europe that got the shittiest end of the stick - first being subject to the nazi occupation and then ending up in the Soviet bloc. Noone else had that shitty luck.

Czechoslovakia definitely did.  The Baltics, Byelorussia, and the Ukraine did.  Even the erstwhile Axis minor allies experienced some degree of "occupation" once their governments decided to make separate peaces.

Not really. Czechoslovakia was annexed "peacefully" and did not suffer through the same kind of oppression Poland did as a conquered country. The Baltics weren't even occupied - the people there welcomed the nazis.

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Quote from: Martinus on September 27, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
I wonder what would be the outcome if Poland acted like Hungary and sided with Hitler in 1930s. Or if this was an option at all.

Because we are probably the only country in Europe that got the shittiest end of the stick - first being subject to the nazi occupation and then ending up in the Soviet bloc. Noone else had that shitty luck.

It wasn't an option. The Nazis were out to crush Poland for ideological/racial reasons. Stalin was out to crush Poland, because the Poles had humiliated him personally by winning the 1920-21 war, in which his contribution was less that stellar.  ;)
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Josquius

It's polands fault for blocking an anti anti coalition which meant the soviets had to form a coalition with the nazis.... Err... Right,

It is certainly true that interwars Poland was a bit of a cock and not entirely the sweet and innocent victim it is portrayed as but.... Come on.
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Actually, when you grind down, it's really Britain's fault, for not developing long-range bombers and the appropriate tactics during the interwar period, giving them the capability to disperse large amounts of persistent chemical agents upon Berlin and other major German cities.  Thanks a lot, Chamberlain.
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Quote from: Ideologue on September 28, 2015, 07:12:25 PM
Actually, when you grind down, it's really Britain's fault, for not developing long-range bombers and the appropriate tactics during the interwar period, giving them the capability to disperse large amounts of persistent chemical agents upon Berlin and other major German cities.  Thanks a lot, Chamberlain.

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