ISIS Behead Palmyra Archaeologist Khaled al-Assad And Hang His Body From Ruins

[Caliga]

You may be joking but I seriously think we should pursue detente with Iran and try to ally with the Iranians.  Iran is powerful and Iranians are cool and the chicks are hot.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

no amount of IS-killing will matter unless you destroy the problem at it's roots. And those roots are at the very least Wahabism, and at the most of what Mo-mo did after he got kicked out of Mecca for being the ass-tard he was (the stories of how Medina became Medina are illuminating to say the least, and not in a pro-islam/pro-mohammed fashion).
But destroying Wahabism might be enough to do the trick given that there are a number of groups (big and small) that seem to have managed to get rid of the crazy that's in the religion.

But it's not going to happen, so I guess we'll see the results in a few decades and after a few dozen million dead.  What a waste.

[Norgy]

You may be joking but I seriously think we should pursue detente with Iran and try to ally with the Iranians.  Iran is powerful and Iranians are cool and the chicks are hot.

I am not joking. Not about this.

[Valmy]

The only reason to be worried about the Iranians is the whole 'nuke Israel off the map' thing. If they just want to push Israel around a bit alright but lets not go crazy.

[Valmy]

Also I have this vision of how this will go down if we back Iran and they go after ISIS. We will start hearing stories about how 15 ISIS militants destroyed five Iranian Revolutionary Guard Divisions and now have all their stuff. That is normally how this tends to go for us.

[Caliga]

The only reason to be worried about the Iranians is the whole 'nuke Israel off the map' thing. If they just want to push Israel around a bit alright but lets not go crazy.

That's just rhetoric.  Iran is never gonna do that.

[Barrister]

You may be joking but I seriously think we should pursue detente with Iran and try to ally with the Iranians.  Iran is powerful and Iranians are cool and the chicks are hot.

Do you want to pursue detente with Iran and make kissy faces with the Ayatollahs, or do you want to push for regime change?  The attempted Green Revolution wasn't that long ago...

[Caliga]

Also I have this vision of how this will go down if we back Iran and they go after ISIS. We will start hearing stories about how 15 ISIS militants destroyed five Iranian Revolutionary Guard Divisions and now have all their stuff. That is normally how this tends to go for us.

[Caliga]

Do you want to pursue detente with Iran and make kissy faces with the Ayatollahs, or do you want to push for regime change?  The attempted Green Revolution wasn't that long ago...

I've stated before when it comes to this stuff that I am a complete pragmatist.  As long as a foreign regime is helping us, I don't care what they do to their own people.  I know that is in some ways an abhorrent moral stance, but I think it's the job of a country to protect its own best interests at all times even if you are forsaking the rights of others.  Obviously I would like Iran to be a functional Western-style democracy, but the fact that it's not doesn't have any bearing on how I think we should deal with the Iranian state.

[DGuller]

Also I have this vision of how this will go down if we back Iran and they go after ISIS. We will start hearing stories about how 15 ISIS militants destroyed five Iranian Revolutionary Guard Divisions and now have all their stuff. That is normally how this tends to go for us.

Maybe we should ally with Russia.

[Razgovory]

no amount of IS-killing will matter unless you destroy the problem at it's roots. And those roots are at the very least Wahabism, and at the most of what Mo-mo did after he got kicked out of Mecca for being the ass-tard he was (the stories of how Medina became Medina are illuminating to say the least, and not in a pro-islam/pro-mohammed fashion).
But destroying Wahabism might be enough to do the trick given that there are a number of groups (big and small) that seem to have managed to get rid of the crazy that's in the religion.

But it's not going to happen, so I guess we'll see the results in a few decades and after a few dozen million dead.  What a waste.

So your idea is eradicate Islam?

[alfred russel]

Do you want to pursue detente with Iran and make kissy faces with the Ayatollahs, or do you want to push for regime change?  The attempted Green Revolution wasn't that long ago...

I've stated before when it comes to this stuff that I am a complete pragmatist.  As long as a foreign regime is helping us, I don't care what they do to their own people.  I know that is in some ways an abhorrent moral stance, but I think it's the job of a country to protect its own best interests at all times even if you are forsaking the rights of others.  Obviously I would like Iran to be a functional Western-style democracy, but the fact that it's not doesn't have any bearing on how I think we should deal with the Iranian state.

But Iran is deeply fucked up. Its government is profoundly anti western and conservative. The funding of quasi terrorist groups across the region is an issue.

The pragmatic solution is to back Saudi Arabia and get as much as we can out of Egypt.

[Razgovory]

Do you want to pursue detente with Iran and make kissy faces with the Ayatollahs, or do you want to push for regime change?  The attempted Green Revolution wasn't that long ago...

I've stated before when it comes to this stuff that I am a complete pragmatist.  As long as a foreign regime is helping us, I don't care what they do to their own people.  I know that is in some ways an abhorrent moral stance, but I think it's the job of a country to protect its own best interests at all times even if you are forsaking the rights of others.  Obviously I would like Iran to be a functional Western-style democracy, but the fact that it's not doesn't have any bearing on how I think we should deal with the Iranian state.

But Iran is deeply fucked up. Its government is profoundly anti western and conservative. The funding of quasi terrorist groups across the region is an issue.

The pragmatic solution is to back Saudi Arabia and get as much as we can out of Egypt.

At the end of this, it's likely to end up an Iranian client state anyway.  Why not have them pay for it?

[Crazy_Ivan80]

no amount of IS-killing will matter unless you destroy the problem at it's roots. And those roots are at the very least Wahabism, and at the most of what Mo-mo did after he got kicked out of Mecca for being the ass-tard he was (the stories of how Medina became Medina are illuminating to say the least, and not in a pro-islam/pro-mohammed fashion).
But destroying Wahabism might be enough to do the trick given that there are a number of groups (big and small) that seem to have managed to get rid of the crazy that's in the religion.

But it's not going to happen, so I guess we'll see the results in a few decades and after a few dozen million dead.  What a waste.

So your idea is eradicate Islam?

so? Evangelise until it's gone. It might take a while but its a perfectly legitimate endgoal.

[Barrister]

no amount of IS-killing will matter unless you destroy the problem at it's roots. And those roots are at the very least Wahabism, and at the most of what Mo-mo did after he got kicked out of Mecca for being the ass-tard he was (the stories of how Medina became Medina are illuminating to say the least, and not in a pro-islam/pro-mohammed fashion).
But destroying Wahabism might be enough to do the trick given that there are a number of groups (big and small) that seem to have managed to get rid of the crazy that's in the religion.

But it's not going to happen, so I guess we'll see the results in a few decades and after a few dozen million dead.  What a waste.

So your idea is eradicate Islam?

so? Evangelise until it's gone. It might take a while but its a perfectly legitimate endgoal.

This does appeal to the inner Evangelical Christian in me.

As a foreign policy objective it does seem fraught with difficulty.