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Started by Syt, July 17, 2015, 04:51:24 AM

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Malthus

Quote from: Syt on July 17, 2015, 11:19:43 AM

Of course, and I look forward to 70 years from now when future generations will laugh at how naive we were about AIs or genetically modified food that will then hunt us for sport. It's a right of passage for every generation. :P

Genetically modified food that hunts us for sport would indeed provide a terrifying future.  :hmm:
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Syt

Quote from: Malthus on July 17, 2015, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: Syt on July 17, 2015, 11:19:43 AM

Of course, and I look forward to 70 years from now when future generations will laugh at how naive we were about AIs or genetically modified food that will then hunt us for sport. It's a right of passage for every generation. :P

Genetically modified food that hunts us for sport would indeed provide a terrifying future.  :hmm:

Apparently I'm not the only one thinking of it.  :hmm:



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Martinus

Quote from: lustindarkness on July 17, 2015, 08:44:01 AM
"Many persons in Nevada, Utah, Arizona, and nearby California have Geiger counters these days. We can expect many reports that "Geiger counters were going crazy here today." Reports like this may worry people unnecessarily. Don't let them bother you."

:thumbsup:

This one was also my favourite. :D

Did people living in these areas got post-radiation disease, by the way?

Martinus

Quote from: Malthus on July 17, 2015, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: Syt on July 17, 2015, 11:19:43 AM

Of course, and I look forward to 70 years from now when future generations will laugh at how naive we were about AIs or genetically modified food that will then hunt us for sport. It's a right of passage for every generation. :P

Genetically modified food that hunts us for sport would indeed provide a terrifying future.  :hmm:

Monsanto = Skynet.

Ideologue

Quote from: Martinus on July 17, 2015, 12:36:23 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 17, 2015, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: Syt on July 17, 2015, 11:19:43 AM

Of course, and I look forward to 70 years from now when future generations will laugh at how naive we were about AIs or genetically modified food that will then hunt us for sport. It's a right of passage for every generation. :P

Genetically modified food that hunts us for sport would indeed provide a terrifying future.  :hmm:

Monsanto = Skynet.

Yeah, humans would have a big problem eating life that could move and feel.
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Razgovory

Quote from: The Brain on July 17, 2015, 11:32:39 AM
Quote from: Syt on July 17, 2015, 11:20:53 AM
I also liked, "As the cloud rises, it expands, begins losing its radioactivity by decaying [...]" Technically not wrong, but ... :lol:

In fairness a huge part of the dangerous radiation is very short-lived.

I think a lot of nuclear fears are overstated.  For instance there seems to confusion regarding the long lasting radioactive byproducts of a power plant and the much shorter radioactive fallout of weaponry.  The public panic over GMO is fairly similar, except even more misguided.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Razgovory

Quote from: Martinus on July 17, 2015, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: lustindarkness on July 17, 2015, 08:44:01 AM
"Many persons in Nevada, Utah, Arizona, and nearby California have Geiger counters these days. We can expect many reports that "Geiger counters were going crazy here today." Reports like this may worry people unnecessarily. Don't let them bother you."

:thumbsup:

This one was also my favourite. :D

Did people living in these areas got post-radiation disease, by the way?

Some did, but it often takes decades for it to occur.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Ideologue

John Wayne and about 50 other people working on of The Conqueror did, but that's a special case, since they literally moved Utah (iirc) earth contaminated with fallout to a set in Hollywood so the colors would match the on-location shooting.  And all so the Duke could play Genghis Khan. :)
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Razgovory

Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2015, 04:32:31 PM
John Wayne and about 50 other people working on of The Conqueror did, but that's a special case, since they literally moved Utah (iirc) earth contaminated with fallout to a set in Hollywood so the colors would match the on-location shooting.  And all so the Duke could play Genghis Khan. :)

It's hard to tell if someone who dies of cancer died from exposure to radiation.  Besides, I thought the Duke died of lung cancer, that probably has more to do with cigarettes.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Tonitrus

Quote from: Razgovory on July 17, 2015, 10:16:53 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2015, 04:32:31 PM
John Wayne and about 50 other people working on of The Conqueror did, but that's a special case, since they literally moved Utah (iirc) earth contaminated with fallout to a set in Hollywood so the colors would match the on-location shooting.  And all so the Duke could play Genghis Khan. :)

It's hard to tell if someone who dies of cancer died from exposure to radiation.  Besides, I thought the Duke died of lung cancer, that probably has more to do with cigarettes.

He survived lung cancer, but died from stomach cancer.

Syt

Quote from: Ideologue on July 17, 2015, 04:32:31 PM
John Wayne and about 50 other people working on of The Conqueror did, but that's a special case, since they literally moved Utah (iirc) earth contaminated with fallout to a set in Hollywood so the colors would match the on-location shooting.  And all so the Duke could play Genghis Khan. :)


The fount of all knowledge that is Wikipedia seems to suggest the movie's cancer connection is undetermined (though filming it in that location probably didn't help).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conqueror_(film)

QuoteThe exterior scenes were shot on location near St. George, Utah, 137 miles (220 km) downwind of the United States government's Nevada National Security Site. In 1953, extensive above-ground nuclear weapons testing (11 total) occurred at the test site as part of Operation Upshot-Knothole. The cast and crew spent many difficult weeks on location, and in addition Hughes later shipped 60 tons of dirt back to Hollywood in order to match the Utah terrain and lend verisimilitude to studio re-shoots.[5] The filmmakers knew about the nuclear tests[5] but the federal government reassured residents that the tests caused no hazard to public health.[12]

Director Dick Powell died of cancer in January 1963, seven years after the film's release. Pedro Armendáriz was diagnosed with kidney cancer in 1960, and committed suicide in June 1963 after he learned his condition had become terminal. Hayward, Wayne, and Moorehead all died of cancer in the 1970s. Cast member actor John Hoyt died of lung cancer in 1991. Skeptics point to other factors such as the wide use of tobacco — Wayne and Moorehead in particular were heavy smokers, and Wayne himself believed his lung cancer to have been a result of his six-packs-a-day cigarette habit.[13] The cast and crew totaled 220 people (although IMDB lists a much smaller number). By the end of 1980, as ascertained by People magazine, 91 of them had developed some form of cancer and 46 had died of the disease. Several of Wayne and Hayward's relatives also had cancer scares after visiting the set. Michael Wayne developed skin cancer, his brother Patrick had a benign tumor removed from his breast and Hayward's son Tim Barker had a benign tumor removed from his mouth.[12][14]

Dr. Robert Pendleton, professor of biology at the University of Utah, stated, "With these numbers, this case could qualify as an epidemic. The connection between fallout radiation and cancer in individual cases has been practically impossible to prove conclusively. But in a group this size you'd expect only 30-some cancers to develop. With 91 cancer cases, I think the tie-in to their exposure on the set of The Conqueror would hold up in a court of law." Indeed, several cast and crew members, as well as relatives of those who died, considered suing the government for negligence, claiming it knew more about the hazards in the area than it let on.[12][15]

However, the odds of developing cancer for men in the U.S. population are 43 percent and the odds of dying of cancer are 23 percent (38 percent and 19 percent, respectively, for women).[16] This places the cancer mortality rate for the 220 primary cast and crew very near the expected average; but, this would assume that few new cancers or cancer-related deaths have occurred among cast and crew members since 1980. These data are unavailable.
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The Brain

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Syt

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

The Brain

Women want me. Men want to be with me.