"Predator" teacher gets 22 years for sex with students

[garbon]

14 year old girls can easily look 17 or 18 though so without actually doing some research he couldn't have known that. It is not like he could have checked her driver's license or anything.

I don't think it is a relevant excuse / I don't think we've ever allowed that excuse?

[Caliga]

What the hell are you?

[Valmy]

14 year old girls can easily look 17 or 18 though so without actually doing some research he couldn't have known that. It is not like he could have checked her driver's license or anything.

I don't think it is a relevant excuse / I don't think we've ever allowed that excuse?

I think that is a perfectly relevant piece of evidence in determining if somebody is a dangerous threat to society versus an irresponsible person doing something they assumed was fine and legal. Is intent important in criminal law?

[Monoriu]

She looks pretty good for a 30 year old, and without make-up.  Surprised that she can't find normal boyfriends.

And is 22 years a bit excessive?    I mean, her victims were willing participants, there was no use of force I presume.

[DGuller]

14 year old girls can easily look 17 or 18 though so without actually doing some research he couldn't have known that. It is not like he could have checked her driver's license or anything.

I don't think it is a relevant excuse / I don't think we've ever allowed that excuse?

It is true that this excuse has never been allowed, but that does not mean that this attitude is not retarded.  Strict criminal liability as a concept is beyond repugnant.

[Valmy]

She looks pretty good for a 30 year old, and without make-up.  Surprised that she can't find normal boyfriends.

And is 22 years a bit excessive?    I mean, her victims were willing participants, there was no use of force I presume.

She is a sexual predator who was grooming these kids and evidence suggests fucked them up pretty good. And this was many kids over many years.

And it is not about inability to find normal partners. Some of the most infamous sexual predators in history also had perfectly normal families on the side.

[Josquius]

Nice to see women being treat equally for once

[Malthus]

She looks pretty good for a 30 year old, and without make-up.  Surprised that she can't find normal boyfriends.

And is 22 years a bit excessive?    I mean, her victims were willing participants, there was no use of force I presume.

My impression of such situations is that it is the very 'forbidden-ness' of the sex that these folks find exciting and attractive. So the availability of normal age-appropriate boyfriends would not have made a difference.

[Ideologue]

Leaving aside the senselessness of strict liability (particularly for a teenager who can barely be assumed to not commit criminal acts that require a mens rea), have any of these "sorry, I'm really 14" people ever been arrested for criminal fraud, or at least sued for tortious fraud?  Seems like it would be an easy case to make.

[Ideologue]

She looks pretty good for a 30 year old, and without make-up.  Surprised that she can't find normal boyfriends.

And is 22 years a bit excessive?    I mean, her victims were willing participants, there was no use of force I presume.

22 years is excessive for any crime, and basically amounts to torture (often, it also amounts to a death sentence).

[The Brain]

She looks pretty good for a 30 year old, and without make-up.  Surprised that she can't find normal boyfriends.

And is 22 years a bit excessive?    I mean, her victims were willing participants, there was no use of force I presume.

22 years is excessive for any crime, and basically amounts to torture (often, it also amounts to a death sentence).

It's enhanced torture techniques.

[Monoriu]

She looks pretty good for a 30 year old, and without make-up.  Surprised that she can't find normal boyfriends.

And is 22 years a bit excessive?    I mean, her victims were willing participants, there was no use of force I presume.

22 years is excessive for any crime, and basically amounts to torture (often, it also amounts to a death sentence).

I'll have no problem with 22 years if a teacher raped his students 

[derspiess]

She looks pretty good for a 30 year old, and without make-up.  Surprised that she can't find normal boyfriends.

And is 22 years a bit excessive?    I mean, her victims were willing participants, there was no use of force I presume.

My impression of such situations is that it is the very 'forbidden-ness' of the sex that these folks find exciting and attractive. So the availability of normal age-appropriate boyfriends would not have made a difference.

I understand Mono's confusion, though.  My assumption is usually that the female teacher is unattractive and doe these things out of desperation.  And a lot of times that is the case.  It's just when she is actually attractive that it's news, I guess.

[Valmy]

Based on the flood of these stories coming out in the internet age I see so pattern at all by attractiveness. HOTT and non-HOTT women get in trouble for this sort of thing.

[Valmy]

I'll have no problem with 22 years if a teacher raped his students 

Predators do not generally forcibly have sex with kids they manipulate them into doing it. It is called grooming and that is what she was doing. It is considered rape.