"Predator" teacher gets 22 years for sex with students

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Monoriu

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 07, 2015, 09:29:23 PM
You can safely assume that no one you meet is gay?  :huh:

Say, the percentage of gay/lesbians in the population is 0.01%, or something in that region.  There are 7 million people in Hong Kong.  Out of those 7 million, 700 are gays or lesbians.  They probably have their own community or something, and tend to prefer their own.  My chance of meeting them is so low that the odds are not material.  My impression is that pedophiles should be at least 10 times or 100 times more rare.  I think at least 99% of the population are normal, healthy, intelligent, mentally stable, rational, and solvent. 

dps

Quote from: Monoriu on July 07, 2015, 09:40:31 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 07, 2015, 09:29:23 PM
You can safely assume that no one you meet is gay?  :huh:

Say, the percentage of gay/lesbians in the population is 0.01%, or something in that region.  There are 7 million people in Hong Kong.  Out of those 7 million, 700 are gays or lesbians.  They probably have their own community or something, and tend to prefer their own.  My chance of meeting them is so low that the odds are not material. 

Most studies seem to indicate that about 10% of people are gay, so you're only off by a factor of 1000 or so.  I tend to think that 10% is a bit of a high estimate, but even if it's really only half that, you're still off by a factor of around 50. :lol:

QuoteMy impression is that pedophiles should be at least 10 times or 100 times more rare.

To be honest, I have no idea what percentage of people are pedophiles.

QuoteI think at least 99% of the population are normal, healthy, intelligent, mentally stable, rational, and solvent.

I think about at least a quarter of people are actually pretty stupid, so even leaving the other criteria you list besides "intelligent" out of it, you're way off.

Monoriu

Quote from: Razgovory on July 07, 2015, 09:20:54 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on July 07, 2015, 08:22:56 PM
I think pedophiles are so rare in real life that actually meeting one is like being struck by lightning.  Possible in theory but will never happen in practice.  I don't understand why people always turn on their radar to think if this person is gay, that person is a terrorist or if he is a pedophile.  I never turn those radars on.  It can be safely assumed that none of the people I ever meet in real life belong to these categories.  Not that there is anything wrong with being gay, of course.

Nah, they probably make up 1-4% of the population.  Most however, never act on their impulses.  I don't get out much, but I've known at least one man who got busted for child pornography, and when I was a kid another kid showed me child pornography he found on his dad's computer.

The test that I impose on myself is beyond reasonable doubt.  I need to prove to myself beyond reasonable doubt that a person is gay or is a pedophile before I'll believe it.  Someone may have accidentally downloaded one child pornography picture.  So one picture is not sufficient proof that someone is a pedophile. 

jimmy olsen

Quote from: dps on July 07, 2015, 09:50:19 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on July 07, 2015, 09:40:31 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 07, 2015, 09:29:23 PM
You can safely assume that no one you meet is gay?  :huh:

Say, the percentage of gay/lesbians in the population is 0.01%, or something in that region.  There are 7 million people in Hong Kong.  Out of those 7 million, 700 are gays or lesbians.  They probably have their own community or something, and tend to prefer their own.  My chance of meeting them is so low that the odds are not material. 

Most studies seem to indicate that about 10% of people are gay, so you're only off by a factor of 1000 or so.  I tend to think that 10% is a bit of a high estimate, but even if it's really only half that, you're still off by a factor of around 50. :lol:

QuoteMy impression is that pedophiles should be at least 10 times or 100 times more rare.


Not quite that much, and it doesn't take into consideration people who are bi or were just experimenting in college or whatever. A woman can admit to the later and no one cares, but if a man did that his straight cred would be shot forever.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/05/economist-explains-3
QuoteThis has led many to suggest that the figures may be much higher. Stonewall, a British gay-rights charity, estimates that between 5-7% of the British population is gay, lesbian or bisexual: an estimate derived from a 2005 figure from the Department of Trade and Industry. Other surveys suggest the proportion of those who have had same-sex experiences is far higher than the proportion of people who will happily define themselves as gay or bisexual. A survey from the Williams Institute in 2011 suggested that 8% of Americans had "engaged in same-sex sexual behaviour", while in Britain, a survey in 2013 showed that 7% of men and 16% of women aged between 16 and 44 years old had had some kind of homosexual experienc
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Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Monoriu on July 07, 2015, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 07, 2015, 09:20:54 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on July 07, 2015, 08:22:56 PM
I think pedophiles are so rare in real life that actually meeting one is like being struck by lightning.  Possible in theory but will never happen in practice.  I don't understand why people always turn on their radar to think if this person is gay, that person is a terrorist or if he is a pedophile.  I never turn those radars on.  It can be safely assumed that none of the people I ever meet in real life belong to these categories.  Not that there is anything wrong with being gay, of course.

Nah, they probably make up 1-4% of the population.  Most however, never act on their impulses.  I don't get out much, but I've known at least one man who got busted for child pornography, and when I was a kid another kid showed me child pornography he found on his dad's computer.

The test that I impose on myself is beyond reasonable doubt.  I need to prove to myself beyond reasonable doubt that a person is gay or is a pedophile before I'll believe it.  Someone may have accidentally downloaded one child pornography picture.  So one picture is not sufficient proof that someone is a pedophile.

Well the guy who got busted for it did, got busted again.  So there was a pattern there.  Your estimates on homosexuals is way off, as Dps pointed out.  I don't think it's as high 10% but 1-5% seems reasonable.  It it was as low as you proposed, then I had the remarkable luck to meet every gay person in my home town of 40,000 people!  I imagine that people attracted to children are similar in number.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Monoriu

I don't recall meeting a single gay in my life.  I have not encountered even a hint of gayness.  Every single person is normal.  Languish must be an outlier. 

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Monoriu on July 07, 2015, 10:52:27 PM
I don't recall meeting a single gay in my life.  I have not encountered even a hint of gayness.  Every single person is normal.  Languish must be an outlier.
It's because the have to hide it from their homophobic society 
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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1 Karma Chameleon point

dps

Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 07, 2015, 10:58:45 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on July 07, 2015, 10:52:27 PM
I don't recall meeting a single gay in my life.  I have not encountered even a hint of gayness.  Every single person is normal.  Languish must be an outlier.
It's because the have to hide it from their homophobic society 

It's not necessarily a matter of them hiding their sexuality, though.  If Mono takes a bus to work each day, the bus driver he sees every day might be gay, but Mono would have no way to know that, because the relationship between the 2 of them isn't social, it's purely utilitarian--one of them of them drives a bus, and the other is a passenger on it (and no metaphor is intended, nor should be drawn here).  Mono will assume that the driver is straight, because there's no reason for him to assume otherwise, but really the driver's sexuality is a topic Mono is completely uninterested in.  In fact, even if the driver were an attractive female, Mono might admire her figure, but his consideration of her sexuality presumably wouldn't go beyond the theoretical (he is married, and presumably faithful to his wife--given his persona, I'd say that's a safe assumption, because getting some on the side might get pricey, and if he were willing to pay out, he'd probably just seek out a prostitute, 'cause let's face it, in the long run, hookers cheaper than girlfriends).  And of course it works the other way, too.  The driver will also simply see Mono as a passenger, and not think about him sexually, and will assume him to be straight as the default, not out of homophobia, but simply because the odds say that 90% of the passengers are straight (odds are different for trolley drivers in San Francisco).

Martinus

Quote from: Monoriu on July 07, 2015, 10:52:27 PM
I don't recall meeting a single gay in my life.  I have not encountered even a hint of gayness.  Every single person is normal.  Languish must be an outlier.

Haven't you met Sheilbh or garbon?

Martinus

Wow, I didn't think I can think less of Mono, yet he manages to surprise me yet again.

He seems like he was deliberately placed in my path by some cosmic force so I can project all the evil of the world on him.  :lol:

Razgovory

Quote from: Martinus on July 07, 2015, 11:52:24 PM
Wow, I didn't think I can think less of Mono, yet he manages to surprise me yet again.


Of course you can.  You can mistake him for me :)
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

garbon

Quote from: Martinus on July 07, 2015, 11:50:26 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on July 07, 2015, 10:52:27 PM
I don't recall meeting a single gay in my life.  I have not encountered even a hint of gayness.  Every single person is normal.  Languish must be an outlier.

Haven't you met Sheilbh or garbon?
I showed up after he had left.
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I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

garbon

Quote from: Martinus on July 07, 2015, 11:52:24 PM
Wow, I didn't think I can think less of Mono, yet he manages to surprise me yet again.

I must agree. -_-
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Monoriu

Quote from: Martinus on July 07, 2015, 11:50:26 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on July 07, 2015, 10:52:27 PM
I don't recall meeting a single gay in my life.  I have not encountered even a hint of gayness.  Every single person is normal.  Languish must be an outlier.

Haven't you met Sheilbh or garbon?

No.

The Brain

Gays use the hanky code, so they're easy to identify.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.