Puerto Rico’s Governor Says Island’s Debts Are ‘Not Payable’

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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2016, 05:54:13 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2016, 04:52:24 PM
The results of the 2012 PR referendum:

46% status quo
33% statehood
18% "free association"
2.9% independence

Oh if only it was that simple :P

The difference is the US government didn't swear they were going to have this referendum and didn't make a pledge to honor it. But even so I still think they should have been admitted if, indeed, a majority had voted for statehood. I have looked over this vote several times now and I am still not sure.

If it were up to me every single inhabited territory would get a 'Statehood or Independence' vote. Territory status was never intended to be a permanent deal.

Most of them are too small for statehood. The US virgin islands would have to be annexed by Puerto Rico and the Pacific islands by Hawaii for it to make any practical sense.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 30, 2016, 06:36:24 PM
Most of them are too small for statehood. St. Thomas would have to annexed by Puerto Rico and the Pacific islands by Hawaii for it to make any practical sense.

You're a fucking moron.

jimmy olsen

What a disaster.  :(

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/crews-rush-restore-power-blacked-puerto-rico-42268174

QuoteMost Puerto Ricans Face a Second Night Without Electricity

By danica coto, associated press

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — Sep 22, 2016, 9:45 PM ET

Most Puerto Ricans faced another night of darkness Thursday as crews slowly restored electricity a day after a fire at a power plant caused the aging utility grid to fail and blacked out the entire island of 3.5 million people.

Nearly 370,000 of the 1.5 million homes and businesses served by the power utility had power back by late Thursday. Gov. Alejandro Garcia Padilla said he hoped more than half would be reconnected by Friday morning, adding that public school classes were canceled on Friday.

Garcia, who declared a state of emergency, expressed sympathy for people's frustrations over the outage, which comes amid a decade-long economic crunch that has worn down Puerto Ricans.

"We all want the system to be back online," the governor said. "Let's hold someone responsible for this. Blame me. I'll take the blame."

The power company posted a tweet expressing annoyance over people cursing at its workers, saying such behavior wasn't justified.

Most Puerto Ricans don't have generators, and the many still without power faced another night in darkness and with no air conditioning in the tropical heat. Many likely planned to drag mattresses out to balconies and porches to spend the night outside.

"Puerto Rico is not prepared for something like this," said Celestino Ayala Santiago, who slept in his car Wednesday night so he could have some air conditioning to escape the heat.

As sunset approached, lines formed at ice plants, supermarkets and gas stations, and people crouched around power outlets at generator-powered supermarkets and malls to charge cellphones.

Traffic lights remained out and police officers stood in the streets directing traffic all day, some in heavy downpours across the island. Workers at the main international airport filled out luggage tickets by hand.

"To see everything blacked out, my God," said Virginia Davila, a nurse's assistant who lives on the 11th floor of an apartment building in San Juan.

The governor said at least one person died the first night from exposure to carbon monoxide after setting up a personal generator. A 76-year-old man was taken to the hospital in good condition after spending the night trapped in an elevator at a government building, Garcia said.

Localized power outages are common in Puerto Rico, which has an outdated energy infrastructure, but widespread failures such as this generally have happened only with tropical storms. "This is an apocalypse," Jose Tavela said as he ate at a small cafe in the capital that had a generator.

The Electric Power Authority said it was trying to determine what caused the fire Wednesday afternoon at the Aguirre power plant in the southern town of Salinas. The fire apparently knocked out two transmission lines that serve the broader grid, which tripped circuit breakers that automatically shut down the flow of power as a preventive measure, said Yohari Molina, a spokeswoman for the utility.

The governor wanted that restoring power would be a slow process. "Given that the system is so old, numerous setbacks could occur," he said. "The system is not designed to withstand a failure of this magnitude."

But Garcia rejected suggestions the blackout was caused by maintenance problems that have plagued the utility for years, largely a result of the island's economic and fiscal crisis. He said the switch where the fire happened had been properly maintained.

It was not yet clear how much damage the fire caused or where the power company would obtain the money to repair or buy new equipment. The utility is struggling with a $9 billion debt that it hopes to restructure as it faces numerous corruption allegations. Company officials have said they are seeking revenue to update outdated equipment.

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HVC

Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

CountDeMoney

So what happens now?  Send some guys and truck, start repo'ing review mirror PR flags and oversized Tiburon spoilers?

DontSayBanana

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 04, 2017, 01:15:16 PM
So what happens now?  Send some guys and truck, start repo'ing review mirror PR flags and oversized Tiburon spoilers?

I think it's fair to say statehood is now off the table.  Now Washington gets to decide whether they want to keep that particular albatross around their neck with all the constant fighting about deficits and debt ceiling.
Experience bij!

jimmy olsen

Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 04, 2017, 01:54:51 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 04, 2017, 01:15:16 PM
So what happens now?  Send some guys and truck, start repo'ing review mirror PR flags and oversized Tiburon spoilers?

I think it's fair to say statehood is now off the table.  Now Washington gets to decide whether they want to keep that particular albatross around their neck with all the constant fighting about deficits and debt ceiling.

Lol. The island is going to vote for statehood by 60% plus in the upcoming referendum and the next time Dems control the government they are going to nuke the legislative filibuster and force statehood through.
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HVC

Why would the dems make them a state? Another resource drain seems like a dumb move. Are they even liberal? Latin county are generally socially conservative.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: HVC on May 04, 2017, 09:00:16 PM
Why would the dems make them a state? Another resource drain seems like a dumb move. Are they even liberal? Latin county are generally socially conservative.

They vote very Democratic in presidential elections. 

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 04, 2017, 09:03:40 PM
Quote from: HVC on May 04, 2017, 09:00:16 PM
Why would the dems make them a state? Another resource drain seems like a dumb move. Are they even liberal? Latin county are generally socially conservative.

They vote very Democratic in presidential elections.
:yes: Admitting a new state has always been extremely political.
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MadImmortalMan

I don't think anyone can stop PR becoming a state now even if they wanted to. It's completely in Puerto Rico's hands.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 05, 2017, 03:14:13 PM
I don't think anyone can stop PR becoming a state now even if they wanted to. It's completely in Puerto Rico's hands.

Huh?  Congress would still need to vote to admit.

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Valmy

Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2017, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 05, 2017, 03:14:13 PM
I don't think anyone can stop PR becoming a state now even if they wanted to. It's completely in Puerto Rico's hands.

Huh?  Congress would still need to vote to admit.

And the President to not veto I presume.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 05, 2017, 03:15:45 PM
Didn't they do that decades ago?

I thought they voted to allows the referendum.

You might be right.