The professor of the #distractinglysexy fame loses his job

Started by Martinus, June 17, 2015, 02:51:02 PM

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Legbiter

The Times should be highbrow enough. Although the "reputable" sources seem to be staffed by retards who just directly write their twitter feeds into articles and call it a day. Gotta get those clicks in and fast.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/science/article4478368.ece
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derspiess

Wow.  I'd like to hear Meri's take on these new developments.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Admiral Yi

Quote from: derspiess on June 29, 2015, 08:52:55 AM
Wow.  I'd like to hear Meri's take on these new developments.

That's not fair.  She was proceeding on the assumption that the allegations were true, as were the rest of us.

And it must be said that science boy did a shit job of defending himself against the allegation.

DGuller

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 29, 2015, 08:59:05 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 29, 2015, 08:52:55 AM
Wow.  I'd like to hear Meri's take on these new developments.

That's not fair.  She was proceeding on the assumption that the allegations were true, as were the rest of us.
That's not fair either.  Mobs form precisely because everyone "proceeds on the assumption", and few stop to think "wait, wait, this makes no sense at all, there most be more to the story".

Legbiter

He's not a PR flack and his colleagues couldn't throw him under the bus fast enough.
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Valmy

Well this story just summed up everything I hate and fear about social media even more than I had originally thought.

QuoteThat's not fair either.  Mobs form precisely because everyone "proceeds on the assumption", and few stop to think "wait, wait, this makes no sense at all, there most be more to the story".

I presume nobody here participated in the mob but yes. Besides it was not like Meri ever suggested that it was an assumption and the man might not be a monster. You can never defend yourself in social media, you are guilty. Well I hope everybody was proud of getting another person fired and their life destroyed.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Malthus

In terms of arguing on the 'net though, we can only 'proceed on the assumption' that what is reported is in fact accurate. This though was a failure of traditional journalism not social media - the speech was public (lending support to the assumption it was accurately reported).
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Valmy

Quote from: Malthus on June 29, 2015, 09:23:28 AM
In terms of arguing on the 'net though, we can only 'proceed on the assumption' that what is reported is in fact accurate. This though was a failure of traditional journalism not social media - the speech was public (lending support to the assumption it was accurately reported).

The failure of social media was then launching a campaign of character assassination and public pressure and mob action. This is fundamentally unjust, you cannot defend yourself from this kind of attack, there can be no witnesses called or a fair hearing had. Traditional Journalism got it right eventually but social media works lightning fast. By the time we discovered the situation was more complicated than we thought, the pound of flesh from the mob terror had already been extracted. People who knew the truth of the situation were coerced into firing him.

It is garbage and horrifying.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Malthus

Quote from: Valmy on June 29, 2015, 09:28:31 AM
Quote from: Malthus on June 29, 2015, 09:23:28 AM
In terms of arguing on the 'net though, we can only 'proceed on the assumption' that what is reported is in fact accurate. This though was a failure of traditional journalism not social media - the speech was public (lending support to the assumption it was accurately reported).

The failure of social media was then launching a campaign of character assassination and public pressure and mob action. This is fundamentally unjust, you cannot defend yourself from this kind of attack, there can be no witnesses called or a fair hearing had. Traditional Journalism got it right eventually but social media works lightning fast. By the time we discovered the situation was more complicated than we thought, the pound of flesh from the mob terror had already been extracted. People who knew the truth of the situation were coerced into firing him.

It is garbage and horrifying.

Oh, I agree that it sucks.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Ed Anger

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derspiess

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Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 29, 2015, 08:59:05 AM
Quote from: derspiess on June 29, 2015, 08:52:55 AM
Wow.  I'd like to hear Meri's take on these new developments.

That's not fair.  She was proceeding on the assumption that the allegations were true, as were the rest of us.

All I'm saying is I would like to hear what she has to say.  But since you went there, it would be quite fair for me to call her out on this.  Always a good idea to wait for all the facts to be known before you start calling for someone's life to be ruined.

QuoteAnd it must be said that science boy did a shit job of defending himself against the allegation.

Well, I'm sure you know that the shitstorm began and then spread rapidly while he was flying back home.  He had no way of defending himself before certain people had already made up their minds.  But maybe he should have hired a PR firm before he boarded his flight from Korea, dunno.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Valmy

Quote from: derspiess on June 29, 2015, 09:44:32 AM
Well, I'm sure you know that the shitstorm began and then spread rapidly while he was flying back home.  He had no way of defending himself until certain people had already made up their minds.  But maybe he should have hired a PR firm before he boarded his flight from Korea, dunno.

Interesting that is exactly the same way the woman who made the AIDS joke got fired and defamed.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

garbon

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Martinus

If this unfortunate experience teaches us anything, it's that we should never take the word of a woman over that of a man.  :sleep: