EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[Martinus]

What does it mean to "engage with an Islamist?"

Step 1. Do not pre-emptively exterminate them.

Step 2. Engage in some sort of conversation with them to understand where they're coming from and share our priorities.

Step 3 (optional). Discuss various potential arrangements to encourage better and more beneficial relationships, based on step 2.

Let's assume you do and, as part of Step 2, they tell you their priorities are to (i) keep women subjugated, and (ii) kill the gays. What kind of potential arrangements would you offer as a part of Step 3?

[Admiral Yi]

Yeah, what more understanding do we need or can we get about where they're coming from, and how are our priorities unclear to them?

[The Minsky Moment]

What does it mean to "engage with an Islamist?"

Step 1. Do not pre-emptively exterminate them.

Step 2. Engage in some sort of conversation with them to understand where they're coming from and share our priorities.

Step 3 (optional). Discuss various potential arrangements to encourage better and more beneficial relationships, based on step 2.

I personally would stick to step 1.  Not that interested in conversation but neither am I in a rush to set up death camps.  I'm confident there is some room in the middle there.

[Josquius]

The thing is with far right extremists, is that where they become popular there tends to be a reason behind it. The nazis didn't just spring out of nowhere, it took the depression to propel them to power.

Sure, there's always a small hardcore who are truly committed to evil nonsense.
But for the majority things tend not to be so simplistic. Factors such as poverty and a perceived discrimination against their group are major factors that push many young muslims in the UK towards Islamism.

[Martinus]

What does it mean to "engage with an Islamist?"

Step 1. Do not pre-emptively exterminate them.

Step 2. Engage in some sort of conversation with them to understand where they're coming from and share our priorities.

Step 3 (optional). Discuss various potential arrangements to encourage better and more beneficial relationships, based on step 2.

I personally would stick to step 1.  Not that interested in conversation but neither am I in a rush to set up death camps.  I'm confident there is some room in the middle there.

I was actually thinking of drone strikes as opposed to death camps.

[Martinus]

The thing is with far right extremists, is that where they become popular there tends to be a reason behind it. The nazis didn't just spring out of nowhere, it took the depression to propel them to power.

Sure, there's always a small hardcore who are truly committed to evil nonsense.
But for the majority things tend not to be so simplistic. Factors such as poverty and a perceived discrimination against their group are major factors that push many young muslims in the UK towards Islamism.

I wouldn't engage nazis in a conversation to understand their priorities either.

[Josquius]

The thing is with far right extremists, is that where they become popular there tends to be a reason behind it. The nazis didn't just spring out of nowhere, it took the depression to propel them to power.

Sure, there's always a small hardcore who are truly committed to evil nonsense.
But for the majority things tend not to be so simplistic. Factors such as poverty and a perceived discrimination against their group are major factors that push many young muslims in the UK towards Islamism.

I wouldn't engage nazis in a conversation to understand their priorities either.

Awesome. Leave the working class to them then. What could possibly go wrong?

[Zanza]

I don't want to engage assholes, neither Nazis nor Islamists.
There are some basic liberal values and if you accept them you are welcome. Else please leave or don't come and search your happiness elsewhere.

[Martinus]

I don't want to engage assholes, neither Nazis nor Islamists.
There are some basic liberal values and if you accept them you are welcome. Else please leave or don't come and search your happiness elsewhere.

[Eddie Teach]

I don't know man. If we had time travel technology, I'd suggest the best tactic would be to support Saddam, support Assad, support Qadaffi, etc.

You'd support terrorists to prevent terrorism? 

I would support order over anarchy, given the knowledge of where the historical path got us.

[citizen k]

I would support order over anarchy

[The Brain]

I'm not convinced that it's productive to engage with scum.

[Jacob]

Yeah, what more understanding do we need or can we get about where they're coming from, and how are our priorities unclear to them?

Good question.

I was merely explaining what I thought was meant when people suggest engaging with Islamists. I'm not particularly interested in arguing for or against it as a proposition at this time and place.

[Jacob]

I personally would stick to step 1.  Not that interested in conversation but neither am I in a rush to set up death camps.  I'm confident there is some room in the middle there.

Yeah for sure. There's plenty of room between engagement on one hand, and war of extermination on the other.

[Admiral Yi]

Good question.

I was merely explaining what I thought was meant when people suggest engaging with Islamists. I'm not particularly interested in arguing for or against it as a proposition at this time and place.

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