EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[The Brain]

Btw, no thread on the London mayor office going to an anti-Israeli Islamist-apologist Muslim? Or after Ken Livingstone it's nothing new anymore?

Is it significant to you that he's a Muslim? Isn't "anti-Israeli Islamist-apologist" the important thing in this context?

[Martinus]

Fair point.

[Josquius]

He's an Islamist apologist ?
Thought he was just a Muslim

[Martinus]

http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/04/sadiq-khan-slammed-for-calling-moderate-muslim-groups-uncle-toms-5857705/

[Norgy]

Jeremy Corbyn is under mounting pressure to stamp down on alleged anti-Semitism and racism within the Labour party

Yeah, surely the upright Tories would never be antisemitic or racist.



Most. Overrated. Leader. Of. All. Time.

In any case, Khan could hardly be more anti-Jewish than a Pole. Pogroms are in their blood.

[Richard Hakluyt]

The Churchill article in full :

http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

[Martinus]

So, your counter point Norgy is to refer something from 94 years ago? Weak, very weak. But then the left is rarely capable of mounting an actual argument.

[Razgovory]

If this is a relativist and illogical position, then I give up.

Okay, give up then.  You have a right to free speech, you don't have a right from the repercussions of your fellow citizens.  People have every right to shout you down.

[Josquius]

http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/04/sadiq-khan-slammed-for-calling-moderate-muslim-groups-uncle-toms-5857705/

Stupid language. But reasonable point. Doesn't have anything to do with being in favour of Islamists.

I haven't been following the London election but I'm sure I heard somewhere that the Tories attempting to paint him as in league with the Islamists really blew up in their face.

[Tamas]

http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/04/sadiq-khan-slammed-for-calling-moderate-muslim-groups-uncle-toms-5857705/

Stupid language. But reasonable point. Doesn't have anything to do with being in favour of Islamists.

I haven't been following the London election but I'm sure I heard somewhere that the Tories attempting to paint him as in league with the Islamists really blew up in their face.

Well yeah I guess you CAN have a discussion with radicals: "look, here are the basic rules of society, you need to follow them, if you live in this country. Kthxbye".
So he does have a point.

However, referring to moderates as "Uncle Toms" is very telling: he considers them people who have gotten rid of their dignity and true loyalties to appease the majority. Ergo, he despises moderate muslims. There is hardly any other explanation. Even if you fail finding the perfect expression in an interview, you will use one that describes your feelings. I would never call you a Tory just because "socialist" didn't come to my tongue for some reason, for example.

[Ancient Demon]

However, referring to moderates as "Uncle Toms" is very telling: he considers them people who have gotten rid of their dignity and true loyalties to appease the majority. Ergo, he despises moderate muslims.

Yes. It's effectively the same as white people referring to other whites as "nigger lovers", or more recently, "cucks".

It's difficult to imagine him meaning "uncle Toms" in a context that doesn't imply they are traitors to their race or religion.

[Admiral Yi]

Yeah, surely the upright Tories would never be antisemitic or racist.

Read most of the article, and I don't get how it's antisemitic or racist.

[Josquius]

http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/04/sadiq-khan-slammed-for-calling-moderate-muslim-groups-uncle-toms-5857705/

Stupid language. But reasonable point. Doesn't have anything to do with being in favour of Islamists.

I haven't been following the London election but I'm sure I heard somewhere that the Tories attempting to paint him as in league with the Islamists really blew up in their face.

Well yeah I guess you CAN have a discussion with radicals: "look, here are the basic rules of society, you need to follow them, if you live in this country. Kthxbye".
So he does have a point.

However, referring to moderates as "Uncle Toms" is very telling: he considers them people who have gotten rid of their dignity and true loyalties to appease the majority. Ergo, he despises moderate muslims. There is hardly any other explanation. Even if you fail finding the perfect expression in an interview, you will use one that describes your feelings. I would never call you a Tory just because "socialist" didn't come to my tongue for some reason, for example.

So to get a reading of the attitudes of Muslims you can just go to a few media friendly types who just tell you what you want to hear and ignore the rest?
OK then.

[Admiral Yi]

Jesus Squeesus, you're totally missing the point.

[The Brain]