EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[alfred russel]

We have very few police officers compared to normal countries, and they are very poorly led. Maybe not total but yeah.

They need a strong leader.

[Razgovory]

I think many Europeans would have been happy with the ME staying reasonably quiet under local strongmen. But mission accomplished.

Then they should have done something.  If Europe wants to be just a big version of Switzerland, this is the price they have to pay.

[Eddie Teach]

Then they should have done something.  If Europe wants to be just a big version of Switzerland, this is the price they have to pay.

Not really. They could just not let people in.

[Liep]

% of BNP spent on asylum seekers.

So this was used by the government to underline that we're not so bad after all. Turns out the Danish numbers included money spend on integration efforts whereas that expense is not included for the other countries.

Oops.

[Iormlund]

I wonder if this will cause Europe to become more interventionist in the future.  Even the densest Euro should be able to see that looking the other way while civil war and instability occur in near by regions can have dramatic negative consequences.

Heh. If anything I'd say Europeans will be reinforced in the belief that promoting instability by toppling regimes willy-nilly is a bad idea.

[Razgovory]

Then they should have done something.  If Europe wants to be just a big version of Switzerland, this is the price they have to pay.

Not really. They could just not let people in.

That hasn't worked.

[Eddie Teach]

Then they should have done something.  If Europe wants to be just a big version of Switzerland, this is the price they have to pay.

Not really. They could just not let people in.

That hasn't worked.

It hasn't been tried.

[Razgovory]

Then they should have done something.  If Europe wants to be just a big version of Switzerland, this is the price they have to pay.

Not really. They could just not let people in.

That hasn't worked.

It hasn't been tried.

You sure about that?

[Eddie Teach]

If there weren't hope of asylum in Germany/Scandinavia/etc, the migrants would still be in the camps in Turkey. A little barb wire on the Hungarian border isn't the same as the EU shutting people out.

Note, I'm not saying they *should* follow this course.

[Liep]

A 100 masked men chased and beat immigrants in Stockholm last night.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423968/Mobs-hundreds-masked-men-rampage-Stockholm-central-station-beating-refugee-children.html

[Syt]

Headline in Austrian tabloid Krone: "Are we his ATM? Refugees: Erdogan demands €5 billion from EU!"

[Syt]

Frauke Petry, head of the AfD which polls third behind CDU and SPD, and ahead of Left and Greens, has said that German borders need to be protected, and that police should use their guns if necessary.

[Duque de Bragança]

A 100 masked men chased and beat immigrants in Stockholm last night.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423968/Mobs-hundreds-masked-men-rampage-Stockholm-central-station-beating-refugee-children.html

At least there's no police cover-up this time, Sweden is improving!

[Solmyr]

After the new immigration law the far-right Danish People's Party are now the biggest party in Denmark according to a recent poll because the social democrats, who also voted for the bill, dropped 7%. The left (fronted by the SD) getting the majority however because of a huge increase to the social liberal parties. Experts conclude that the Danes are actually mostly against the new law.

I'm wondering why the fuck you even need this law. In Finland it's already the law that if you have significant property, you have to use it for living before you can get welfare, immigrant or no immigrant (even though our idiotic nationalist justice minister wants to implement the "Danish law" in Finland too). Why is there a need to pass a law to actively rob people?

[Solmyr]

Oh, and the Finnish police released an official statement about actual statistics for the last year.

32000 refugees arrived in Finland last year. Of them, 25 (that is 0.08%) are suspected (not convicted) of rape, and 22 more of sexual harassment (which has been in the criminal code only since late 2014, so obviously statistics will show "large growth"). Altogether, there were over 1000 rape cases in Finland last year, thus the percentage of refugees is still tiny. There were also 17 cases of violent attacks against refugee housing centres, which are discussed far less. In light of these figures, any kind of talk about "omg refugees come here and rape left and right!!!1!one" is ridiculous. I'd be surprised if relative statistics for other European countries are very different.