EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[The Larch]

To illustrate the credibility crisis of German police after Cologne:

A 13 year old girl with disappeared in Berlin (her parents are Russo-Germans immigrants). 30 hours later she was back. Rumors rose that she had been abducted by immigrants/refugees and raped.

Police and prosecutors have said repeatedly that the girl was neither abducted nor raped, but that there had been consensual sex (age of consent in Germany is 14 IIRC, though I believe there's lenience rules if both parties are under 18 - or 16? I guess she disappeared to/with her boyfriend and they messed around). Police refuse to say more to protect the privacy of all involved.

Russian media says that the girl was abducted and treated as sex slave by immigrants. Russo-Germans demonstrated in several cities, and Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov accuses German authorities of hushing up the case and calls for a full investigation and protection of Russian immigrants in Germany.

The girl has admitted to making up the kidnapping and rape by inmigrants story.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/31/teenage-girl-made-up-migrant-claim-that-caused-uproar-in-germany

Teenage girl admits making up migrant rape claim that outraged Germany

Allegation by 13-year-old sparked far-right protests and anger in the Kremlin


A 13-year-old Russian-German girl has admitted making up a story about being kidnapped and raped by migrants in a case that triggered a furore in Germany and briefly embroiled Berlin police in a spat with the Kremlin, state prosecutors said.

The parents of the teenager, named only as Lisa, reported her missing on 11 January after she failed to appear at school in the Marzahn district of the capital. She reappeared 30 hours later with injuries on her face, and told her parents she had been attacked by men of Middle Eastern or north African appearance. News of the incident spread on social media, sparking outrage among Berlin's Russian-German community.

But when she was questioned by trained specialists three days later "she immediately admitted that the story of the rape was not true", said the spokesman for the state prosecutor, Martin Steltner.

He said the teenager had been scared of going home after the school had contacted her parents over an incident at school.

Yet the allegations caused uproar in Berlin, particularly after reports of mass sexual assaults allegedly carried out by migrants in Cologne. A Russian-German community group staged a protest, supported by the Pegida-related Bärgida movement. The far-right National Democratic party also demonstrated in Marzahn.

The mood was exacerbated by a report on Russian state TV, in which the girl's relatives claimed her allegations were not being investigated.

The Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, also weighed in to criticise the Berlin authorities. "The news that she disappeared was kept secret for a very long time," he told a press conference, blaming "political correctness".

Analysis of the teenager's mobile phone records showed she had spent the night with a friend, who is not being treated as a suspect.

Her mother told Der Spiegel magazine on Sunday that Lisa was "doing very badly" and was having treatment in a psychiatric ward.

[Syt]

so von Storch should shut the fuck up.

Oh, agreed.

What I didn't know was that her grandfather was the gentleman in black, left of Goebbels:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutz_Graf_Schwerin_von_Krosigk

People can't pick their forebears, but I suppose you can choose whether you want to follow their footsteps.

[Liep]

The FPÖ will probably - as usual - call this "isolated cases."

Here it's getting increasingly difficult to dismiss these as isolated cases so they've starting to just dismissing them. A prominent member of the Danish People's Party was convicted for racism today but the party leadership had already stated that the case was nonsense and said that it would in no way affect his membership status.

The tweet that got him in trouble was: "About the Jews' situation in Europe: the Muslims continues what Hitler started, only giving them the same treatment as Hitler got will change the situation."

[Martinus]

The next few paragraphs limit it a lot. It sounds like it is mainly meant to allow for shooting at vehicles or for warning shots. And it clearly states that shooting at children is never allowed, so von Storch should shut the fuck up.

Wow, you really have gone full one eighty in defense of your nazi compatriots and their laws.

[Martinus]

An FPÖ member of the city council in Linz has resigned from his office.

His FPÖ colleague had posted on her Facebook page, following suggestions that refugees could help in social professions that are chronically understaffed, that it was horrible idea to have "horny young mussulmen" be the "kindergarten uncle who helps little girls do wee wee" or "bathes granny."

The now resigned councilman replied, "well, they could help in the petting zoo, there's nice sheep at least ..."

The prosecution is investigating them for hate speech.

The FPÖ will probably - as usual - call this "isolated cases."

I think it's fucked up that this is something prosecutors should investigate.

[Martinus]

The tweet that got him in trouble was: "About the Jews' situation in Europe: the Muslims continues what Hitler started, only giving them the same treatment as Hitler got will change the situation."

This is a much different statement that the one Syt quoted, though.

[Martinus]

People hoping to get of Germany is not the same as Europe opening the border.  Countries like Greece, Austria, Bulgaria etc have set up fences.  They just haven't worked well.

I hasten to remind you that there are something like 10 million illegal immigrants in our country, and they haven't really been "let in".

No, Germany has actually invited them. The EU policy as a whole is to try to process the immigrants, not to keep them out.

US policy, at least unofficially, seems to be to allow a certain number of illegals in, to prop up sectors of the economy that can't pay minimum wage. If we wanted to get tougher on illegal immigration, we'd be deporting a lot more people.

Sorry, are you talking about illegal immigrants or refugees? I haven't seen any indication that Germany invited immigrants to come to Germany - I thought they did it to refugees only. Could you give source on your claim?

[Martinus]

That's a weak line or argument and you know it.

Not as weak as this line of non-argument.

And no, any policy that lets people stay once they get here, no matter how many border agents are employed or how much fence is put up, is not going to be effective at stopping people from getting in. You're right about that. Stopping them at the border AND removing the ones who get past it won't completely eradicate illegal immigration, but it will greatly reduce it. As I said before, Europe hasn't been employing this strategy, at least in regards to the Syrians.

Okay, give me the exact quote from the official government stance where Syrians in Syria are invited to settle in Germany.

He was talking about illegal immigrants - so Syrians fleeing the war in Syria do not even enter the picture, since they are refugees.

[Eddie Teach]

Potato, potahto.

[Syt]

Right wing German NPD fails at posters:



"Rigorous deportations" - "Our people first"

[Ed Anger]

Should be a Ju-52.

[Legbiter]

Beeb article on being Jewish in France.

No photographs of the Gan Ami Jewish school in the sixth district of Marseille will accompany this article.

That is because if you appear at the school with a camera, you will be courteously but firmly asked to put it away.

A crocodile of youngsters on an excursion is accompanied by two teachers. The teachers have walkie-talkies. At pick-up time, six soldiers with machine guns stand by.

These are Israeli levels of security. At the nearby office of the CRIF (the official non-religious Jewish representation), a Jewish security team mans the entrance. More soldiers patrol outside the synagogue around the corner.

No-one thinks this is overkill. It is simply what life is like now for a Jew in urban France.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35445025

[The Brain]

Beeb article on being Jewish in France.

No photographs of the Gan Ami Jewish school in the sixth district of Marseille will accompany this article.

That is because if you appear at the school with a camera, you will be courteously but firmly asked to put it away.

A crocodile of youngsters on an excursion is accompanied by two teachers. The teachers have walkie-talkies. At pick-up time, six soldiers with machine guns stand by.

These are Israeli levels of security. At the nearby office of the CRIF (the official non-religious Jewish representation), a Jewish security team mans the entrance. More soldiers patrol outside the synagogue around the corner.

No-one thinks this is overkill. It is simply what life is like now for a Jew in urban France.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35445025

Is this because of those evil Nazis?

[Richard Hakluyt]

It sounds pretty bad, apparently there have been a lot of French Jews moving to the UK in recent years  : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35430189

The situation re anti-semitism is hardly perfect here either.

Without detailed figures one can't be sure whether anti-semitism in France is the main factor however. The French population of London is rising rapidly at the moment, unemployment is so much lower than across the Channel.

[Legbiter]

Beeb article on being Jewish in France.

No photographs of the Gan Ami Jewish school in the sixth district of Marseille will accompany this article.

That is because if you appear at the school with a camera, you will be courteously but firmly asked to put it away.

A crocodile of youngsters on an excursion is accompanied by two teachers. The teachers have walkie-talkies. At pick-up time, six soldiers with machine guns stand by.

These are Israeli levels of security. At the nearby office of the CRIF (the official non-religious Jewish representation), a Jewish security team mans the entrance. More soldiers patrol outside the synagogue around the corner.

No-one thinks this is overkill. It is simply what life is like now for a Jew in urban France.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35445025

Is this because of those evil Nazis?

Yes, it's because of all those bigoted FN voters, no doubt.