EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[Martim Silva]

The Telegraph also has more http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12082366/German-women-report-string-of-sexual-assaults-by-Arab-and-North-African-men.html

Like the other sources, it notes that it wasn't just Cologne, but also Hamburg. And reports are coming in from Stuttgart, too.

Funny that the major German news media took several days to report this 

From the article:


"Shortly after midnight, the first women came to us," an unnamed police officer told the local Express newspaper.

"Crying and in shock they described how they had been severely sexually harrassed. We went to look for women in the crowd. I picked one up from the ground. She was screaming and crying. Her underwear had been torn from her body."

also,


In Hamburg, witnesses described groups of young men who followed women calling out "Bitch! Ficky ficky!"

"Some girls were chased like cattle," a 17-year-old woman told Bild newspaper. "I'm stunned that such a thing is possible in Hamburg. It makes you scared to celebrate in the neighbourhood."


Feeling enriched, Zanza?

Don't worry, as their numbers swell they will get to you, too. Remember to thank Merkel.

Anyway, even though the cowardly gutmensch will do their best to prevent the true culprits from being named (and yes, they ARE COWARDS, since it was 100% obvious that this and far worse would and will happen, but are too afraid to speak out to defend their own countryfolk, especially their women, and even go out of their way to attack as 'intolerant' those that do), the authorities have no doubts as to whom they should target.

"We will not take gangs of North African men humiliating defenceless women with brazen sexual attacks," Ralf Jäger, the interior minister of the state of North Rhine-Westphalia, said.


In b4 the usual "these are just isolated incidents" or the "we need to see each case in context" morons post here too.

[Josquius]

In b4 the usual "these are just isolated incidents" or the "we need to see each case in context" morons post here too.

Well sorry for believing that when a crime is committed we should punish the criminals rather than their entire community

[The Brain]

In b4 the usual "these are just isolated incidents" or the "we need to see each case in context" morons post here too.

Well sorry for believing that when a crime is committed we should punish the criminals rather than their entire community

I don't think the criminal community should be protected.

[Zanza]

Feeling enriched, Zanza?

No idea where this question is coming from. If you read the thread I was always cautious and remain so. The reasons why I think we should accept refugees have nothing to do with feeling enriched. Maybe you confuse me with another poster?

That said, I don't think sensationalist media villfying groups of people helps us to integrate foreigners or reduce crime. I will go with the actual statements by German police which I trust much more than British media.

[Richard Hakluyt]

The Guardian article includes the following :

"Arnold Plickert, head of the police trade union in NRW, told the Deutsche Presse Agentur that the incidents were "of a new quality ... What we've been able to establish is that this is an organised method."

He said questions needed to be asked as to "how it was possible that this thousand-strong group was able to come to Cologne and meet up there"."

[Zanza]

Well, as I said, I would go with what the police says, not what the police union or whoever says. You are of course free to believe other sources more.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Are the deutsche presse agentur reliable? They seem to be the chief source for these accounts.

http://www.dpa-international.com/news/top_stories/germany-warns-against-scapegoating-refugees-after-mass-sexual-assault-a-47829553.html

[The Brain]

I'm shocked that a Languishian mistrusts MSM.

[Zanza]

Hmm, the police said there were 90 reported crimes, although most were robbery/pickpocketing not sexual assaults and that there was one case of rape. But at least this article is clearer about how small groups, not "1000" actually committed the criminal acts.

[Zanza]

Just to make it clear: I don't want to trivialise what happened, but I don't think that it increases security if we exaggerate the facts either.

It's clear that police failed to uphold order and respond appropriately. It's clear that a group of drunk ethnic North Africans, likely not recent migrants, committed the crimes. Beyond that, I don't think we can say very much.

I don't think this is the Untergang des Abendlandes yet...

[The Brain]

Just to make it clear: I don't want to trivialise what happened, but I don't think that it increases security if we exaggerate the facts either.

It's clear that police failed to uphold order and respond appropriately. It's clear that a group of drunk ethnic North Africans, likely not recent migrants, committed the crimes. Beyond that, I don't think we can say very much.

I don't think this is the Untergang des Abendlandes yet...

You accuse them of violating their religion? Classy.

[The Brain]

On a regular weekend night in a major city, which percentage of unwanted groping gets reported to the police?

[Liep]

On a regular weekend night in a major city, which percentage of unwanted groping gets reported to the police?

Close to zero I would guess. Reportings from violent groping and being chased around by a group of thugs I would imagine to be a lot higher.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

the method reminds of the actions towards female protestors at Tahrir square.
But then again: we know that arabs -drunk or otherwise- generally don't have much respect for women, especially western women.

[Zanza]

the method reminds of the actions towards female protestors at Tahrir square.
But then again: we know that arabs -drunk or otherwise- generally don't have much respect for women, especially western women.

As I consider our culture of female emancipation and equality supreme, the question has to be how we can teach/convince/compel all members of our society (and that includes recent migrants) to adhere to these principles. The very fact that our culture is supreme should make an eventual adoption by a majority of migrants inevitable in my opinion. I am convinced that our culture is so powerful that it is irresistible for most. For the rest we need the police to show them their limits.