EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[Monoriu]

Yeah, and then the wives and children dont pay any property tax because they apply for indigent status based on their Canadian earnings which are basically zero.  So the kids are here getting a free education in every sense of the word since the property taxes that are supposed to be paying for the schools are not being paid.  Not to mention the free health car and other benefits that are not being supported because no income is being declared in Canada.  It has become a real problem in the Vancouver area.  The Province is about to introduce legislative changes to address that issue so that families drawing income from abroad can no longer claim the property tax reduction.  That was meant for retired folks so that they were not forced to move.  Not people scamming the system.   The Feds will also be introducing tax reform so that resident families are also taxes on their income abroad...

Well, that's a separate issue.  Tax them all you want, it is not going to affect me as I don't have family in Canada.  But even if they don't pay property taxes, they are still paying sales taxes, spending money, engaging in economic activity of some sort. 

I think it will be difficult for you guys to tax the wealthy mainland Chinese.  Their millions are often literally in cash.  They bring suitcases of cash to buy multi-million dollar properties.  Good luck on taxing that sort of income.

[Legbiter]

The Austrian PM was always quick to yell all kinds of nasty stuff due to the Hungarian fence, but now they are building their own... But he said its not a fence its a "gate with wings" or something to that effect

Can't say I blame them after Merkel launched the Camp of the Saints against her own continent.

[Tamas]

You can browse pictures taken on the Slovenian-Austrian border here:
http://index.hu/galeria/index/kulfold/2015/10/29/menekultek_az_osztrak_szloven_hataron/

An interesting problem BTW that Austria cannot just build a fence on its Slovenian border: its an internal Schengen border and can only reinstate border controls temporarily, proportionally, and after notyfing EU

[Tamas]

Also, you can see the populist value of refugees: transit via Hungary has basically stopped, so Slovakia is in no "danger" of receiving any migrant wave. But they did send the police and the army to hold a coordinated training excersise on their border with Hungary 

[Tamas]

Austria which was very loud in attacking Hungary over this topic, is now puttng up barbed wire at different border crossings to control the flow of migrants

[Syt]

Controlling != stopping - Austrian government have been very clear that this is about managing the influx and properly processing the new arrivals and not about closing the borders and keeping refugees out. If Hungary had done that, I doubt people would have complained as loudly. Also, the Austrian government isn't loudly banging the drum about how they protect the Christian lands of Europe from invading Muslim hordes which may also explain the lack of outrage.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Orban is the class fleabag though, so anything he does is bad 

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Also, the Austrian government isn't loudly banging the drum about how they protect the Christian lands of Europe from invading Muslim hordes which may also explain the lack of outrage.

Unlikely that banging on the drum about that would lead to outrage, expect with islamophiles and the hordes themselves ofcourse.

[Duque de Bragança]

Also, the Austrian government isn't loudly banging the drum about how they protect the Christian lands of Europe from invading Muslim hordes which may also explain the lack of outrage.

Then why is the Austrian government trying to restrict and limit asylum with the Asyl auf Zeit? There's a new bill right from the christian-democrats, even supported by the social-democrats (Grand Coalition), to be discussed in December. Can't play the FPÖ/Orban/Evil "right wing" diabolisation card now Syt.
Basically, asylum right restricted to three years and reexamined at the end of these three years.
Even the second level of asylum rights (subsidiary protection) will also be restricted with the prohibition of family regrouping during three years. If enforced, this will take a lot of business from smugglers.  This applies to Afghans mostly.

Even Die Zeit noticed it

http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2015-11/fluechtlinge-oesterreich-asylrecht-unhcr-caritas

Also the French Press thanks to AFP

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2015/11/03/97001-20151103FILWWW00230-vienne-veut-limiter-le-droit-d-asile.php

[Syt]

I think the new law is stupid and doesn't really change much from current law - its aim is mostly to assuage the ignorant public (and as a side effect screws over mostly the Afghans).

[Jacob]

Also, the Austrian government isn't loudly banging the drum about how they protect the Christian lands of Europe from invading Muslim hordes which may also explain the lack of outrage.

Unlikely that banging on the drum about that would lead to outrage, expect with islamophiles and the hordes themselves ofcourse.

So if you don't think "protecting the Christian lands of Europe from invading Muslim hordes" is good policy, you're an Islamophile?

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Also, the Austrian government isn't loudly banging the drum about how they protect the Christian lands of Europe from invading Muslim hordes which may also explain the lack of outrage.

Unlikely that banging on the drum about that would lead to outrage, expect with islamophiles and the hordes themselves ofcourse.

So if you don't think "protecting the Christian lands of Europe from invading Muslim hordes" is good policy, you're an Islamophile?

try again.

[Valmy]

So if you don't think "protecting the Christian lands of Europe from invading Muslim hordes" is good policy, you're an Islamophile?

It is Europe's fault for letting the Byzantine Empire fall.

[Jacob]

Also, the Austrian government isn't loudly banging the drum about how they protect the Christian lands of Europe from invading Muslim hordes which may also explain the lack of outrage.

Unlikely that banging on the drum about that would lead to outrage, expect with islamophiles and the hordes themselves ofcourse.

So if you don't think "protecting the Christian lands of Europe from invading Muslim hordes" is good policy, you're an Islamophile?

try again.

Well... it sounded like you were saying the only people who'd be outraged about banging the drum about "protecting the Christian lands... etc" were Islamophiles and the hordes of refugees. Did I misunderstand that?

If I didn't, then it would follow that only people who'd be outraged about such drum banging would be... well, Islamophiles or members of the horde of refugees.

If I misinterpreted you I'm happy to try again, but a hint on what I got wrong would be appreciated.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Also, the Austrian government isn't loudly banging the drum about how they protect the Christian lands of Europe from invading Muslim hordes which may also explain the lack of outrage.

Unlikely that banging on the drum about that would lead to outrage, expect with islamophiles and the hordes themselves ofcourse.

So if you don't think "protecting the Christian lands of Europe from invading Muslim hordes" is good policy, you're an Islamophile?

try again.

Well... it sounded like you were saying the only people who'd be outraged about banging the drum about "protecting the Christian lands... etc" were Islamophiles and the hordes of refugees. Did I misunderstand that?

the second try is better. The outrage is key, not wether one finds it a good policy or not.

Does Europe needs more islam? of course not, no place in the universe needs more islam.
Neither, however, does Europe need a return to christian influence of a few decades ago.
European societies didn't break the power of the christian churches just to make allowances to a religion that's even worse.

So being outraged about what is clearly an over the top Orban-thingy (even though he's basically correct in saying we don't need more islam) -assuming one can be outraged about it- does put one in a certain camp.