EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[crazy canuck]

Can you read? Honest question.

Can you get over your refugee phobia?  Honest question.

[Eddie Teach]

If somebody PROTESTS for a city residence be granted for him, he is not a refugee.

So I will ask you since you seem to understand the position.  What makes someone who expresses a preference to be in a city rather than being located in the middle of nowhere less of a refugee?

There's expressing a preference, and there's staging a sit-in on buses/trains. Anyway, I'm not claiming they are "fake refugees" or anything, just pointing out that they're doing a lot more than simply "preferring cities to the countryside".

[The Brain]

Can you read? Honest question.

Can you get over your refugee phobia?  Honest question.

CC, I know that you're a famously thick poster. I get that. No need to drive the point home.

[crazy canuck]

If somebody PROTESTS for a city residence be granted for him, he is not a refugee.

So I will ask you since you seem to understand the position.  What makes someone who expresses a preference to be in a city rather than being located in the middle of nowhere less of a refugee?

There's expressing a preference, and there's staging a sit-in on buses/trains. Anyway, I'm not claiming they are "fake refugees" or anything, just pointing out that they're doing a lot more than simply "preferring cities to the countryside".

Ok, but the notion that forcefully making the point that they prefer to be in the city (remember our only source for this news is Brain's characterization of events) should allow Sweden to kick them out of the country seems odd.  At the very least they should not lose the status of being a refugee because they do not agree with all the choices being made for them.

[crazy canuck]

Can you read? Honest question.

Can you get over your refugee phobia?  Honest question.

CC, I know that you're a famously thick poster. I get that. No need to drive the point home.

Ok then explain to this thick poster on what basis a refugee should be kicked out of your country because they do not agree with being dropped off in the middle of nowhere.  Doesn't that at the very least imply that they should lose their status as a refugee.  I realize that you are famously anti-immigrant/refugee.  No need to drive the point home.  But can you at least explain your extremist view?

[The Brain]

Can you read? Honest question.

Can you get over your refugee phobia?  Honest question.

CC, I know that you're a famously thick poster. I get that. No need to drive the point home.

Ok then explain to this thick poster on what basis a refugee should be kicked out of your country because they do not agree with being dropped off in the middle of nowhere.  Doesn't that at the very least imply that they should lose their status as a refugee.  I realize that you are famously anti-immigrant/refugee.  No need to drive the point home.  But can you at least explain your extremist view?

Ignoring the very misleading wording of the question, no I don't think I can explain it to you. My impression is that you're not intelligent enough to understand.

[The Brain]

DG, heeelp!!!

[Berkut]

There is a middle ground here, and it is, as usual, the reasonable middle ground.

The people on the bus have every right to say "Hey, thanks for saving us and all, but we would prefer to get dropped somewhere other than the middle of nowhere".

And the people escorting said bus have the right to say "Hey, we appreciate your input, but the choices are right here, or we can drop you back at the border if you think you can do better somewhere else" and do so.

[Tamas]

There is a middle ground here, and it is, as usual, the reasonable middle ground.

The people on the bus have every right to say "Hey, thanks for saving us and all, but we would prefer to get dropped somewhere other than the middle of nowhere".

And the people escorting said bus have the right to say "Hey, we appreciate your input, but the choices are right here, or we can drop you back at the border if you think you can do better somewhere else" and do so.

Yes. And what happens when the refugees on the bus refuse to cooperate unless they are given what they want?

[Jacob]

Yes. And what happens when the refugees on the bus refuse to cooperate unless they are given what they want?

A whole lot of hand-wringing on the internet, it seems.

Also, apparently, heavy media coverage and turning the incident into an argument for not helping refugees at all since they apparently don't deserve to be helped.

[crazy canuck]

There is a middle ground here, and it is, as usual, the reasonable middle ground.

The people on the bus have every right to say "Hey, thanks for saving us and all, but we would prefer to get dropped somewhere other than the middle of nowhere".

And the people escorting said bus have the right to say "Hey, we appreciate your input, but the choices are right here, or we can drop you back at the border if you think you can do better somewhere else" and do so.

I think I found the story Brain has been talking about.  It seems the Swedish authorities did find a much more reasonable alternative than simply kicking them out.  They sent someone to give the refugees more information.  Like telling them this was just temporary because other more appropriate accommodation was in short supply.  It appears that no one other than Brain took the position they should accept being in cabins in the middle of nowhere or get out.

http://breaking911.com/refugees-refuse-beds-at-swedish-holiday-park-because-it-was-too-rural/

[Jacob]

I think I found the story Brain has been talking about.  It seems the Swedish authorities did find a much more reasonable alternative than simply kicking them out.  They sent someone to give the refugees more information.  Like telling them this was just temporary because other more appropriate accommodation was in short supply.  It appears that no one other than Brain took the position they should accept being in cabins in the middle of nowhere or get out.

http://breaking911.com/refugees-refuse-beds-at-swedish-holiday-park-because-it-was-too-rural/

I'm pretty sure that plenty of other people took that position, not just the Brain. I came across it in a few different places.

[crazy canuck]

I think I found the story Brain has been talking about.  It seems the Swedish authorities did find a much more reasonable alternative than simply kicking them out.  They sent someone to give the refugees more information.  Like telling them this was just temporary because other more appropriate accommodation was in short supply.  It appears that no one other than Brain took the position they should accept being in cabins in the middle of nowhere or get out.

http://breaking911.com/refugees-refuse-beds-at-swedish-holiday-park-because-it-was-too-rural/

I'm pretty sure that plenty of other people took that position, not just the Brain. I came across it in a few different places.

Fair point.  I should clarify that no one in any official position took that view.  It is only being taken by internet extremists like Brain.

[The Brain]

My shocking position is that we should give asylum to real refugees, not fake refugees. And I'm very comfortable making the call that people who commandeer other people's property because they don't get the address they hoped for are not actually running for their lives.

[Tamas]

There is a middle ground here, and it is, as usual, the reasonable middle ground.

The people on the bus have every right to say "Hey, thanks for saving us and all, but we would prefer to get dropped somewhere other than the middle of nowhere".

And the people escorting said bus have the right to say "Hey, we appreciate your input, but the choices are right here, or we can drop you back at the border if you think you can do better somewhere else" and do so.

I think I found the story Brain has been talking about.  It seems the Swedish authorities did find a much more reasonable alternative than simply kicking them out.  They sent someone to give the refugees more information.  Like telling them this was just temporary because other more appropriate accommodation was in short supply.  It appears that no one other than Brain took the position they should accept being in cabins in the middle of nowhere or get out.

http://breaking911.com/refugees-refuse-beds-at-swedish-holiday-park-because-it-was-too-rural/

Is it really that hard to understand why it is generating negative feelings, when your guest who requests entrance to your home on account of fleeing mortal danger, upon arrival starts giving you lists of demands so that he can strongarm out a good spot in your home to settle for good?