EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[Crazy_Ivan80]

I guess any human group big enough for a mob actually becomes one.

This. It doesn't help either, that a large part of said mob consist of very angry young men who in the last few years were shaped by an atmosphere of violence in their home country.
If the police is ever forced to truly stand up to them in force, things could get ugly very quickly.

which is why these young men should be liberating Syria instead

Expecting heroic behaviour as a standard from ordinary people is never a good premise for a strategy that is either efficient or ethical. Usually it just masks prejudice against the given group.

I expect refugees -for that is what they claim to be- to go back when the situation is rectified. Getting these hordes of seemingly single young men trained, armed and shipped of to (help) liberate their own country (with help from the west) can only expedite that. Their women and children can in the mean-time stay safe. Europe does not have the duty -moral, ethical or otherwise- to accomodate a mass immigration from wherever.

[Liep]

Police has shut down all train and ferry traffic coming from Germany. Maybe the refugees will finally realise there's a ferry going directly to Sweden from Rostock.

Besides closing the border without knowledge of the Danish government the police will now also send a train with refugees from Rødby to Malmø, this also without knowledge of the government and moments after the migration minister said that Sweden refused to accept refugees travelling from Denmark.

Next step: a coup?

[Archy]

they're more effective than in 1940

[Liep]

they're more effective than in 1940

The Sweden-train is effective in clearing Danish problems, but it's giving up on the situation as told by this photo of refugees boarding the "Train of Hope":

[Liep]

Latest development is that the police overestimated its powers and the Train of Hope is cancelled.

[Liep]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34203366

The police have moved away and they're letting private citizens drive refugees to Sweden. Complete and utter breakdown of the authorities here.

[dps]

Police has shut down all train and ferry traffic coming from Germany. Maybe the refugees will finally realise there's a ferry going directly to Sweden from Rostock.

Besides closing the border without knowledge of the Danish government the police will now also send a train with refugees from Rødby to Malmø, this also without knowledge of the government and moments after the migration minister said that Sweden refused to accept refugees travelling from Denmark.

They informed you, but not the government?

[Liep]

Police has shut down all train and ferry traffic coming from Germany. Maybe the refugees will finally realise there's a ferry going directly to Sweden from Rostock.

Besides closing the border without knowledge of the Danish government the police will now also send a train with refugees from Rødby to Malmø, this also without knowledge of the government and moments after the migration minister said that Sweden refused to accept refugees travelling from Denmark.

They informed you, but not the government?

They informed the public before the government is what I clearly meant.

[Tamas]

Police has shut down all train and ferry traffic coming from Germany. Maybe the refugees will finally realise there's a ferry going directly to Sweden from Rostock.

Besides closing the border without knowledge of the Danish government the police will now also send a train with refugees from Rødby to Malmø, this also without knowledge of the government and moments after the migration minister said that Sweden refused to accept refugees travelling from Denmark.

Next step: a coup?

Sounds pretty much like a repeat of what happened in Hungary last week, and after which, might I add, the country was blamed as inhumane and uncivilised.

What is scary though, that a few hundred migrants disabling Hungary is not THAT surprising. Achieving the same with Denmark, that's cause for more concern.

[Tamas]

Latest development is that the police overestimated its powers and the Train of Hope is cancelled.

Well thats what happens when authority meets desperate resisting civilians: you either violently crush them with all the implications of beating up entire families, or you fold. Not much difference from when a civil unrest happens in a country. Except that in this case the authorities fold to a band of illegal immigrants (refugees legally not permitted to roam freely in the country, for Marty)

[The Brain]

I'm confident that anarchy is the proper way forward.

[Razgovory]

I'm amused the Tamas libertarian tendencies go right out the window when it comes to thousands of Muslims coming into his country.

[Tamas]

I'm amused the Tamas libertarian tendencies go right out the window when it comes to thousands of Muslims coming into his country.

I am amused how socialists comfort themselves by thinking liberalism equals anarchism.

[Razgovory]

That's great, but I don't see how that's relevant.  I'm not a socialist and I've never confused liberalism with anarchism.  I've always maintained that libertarians are okay with state violence and even tyranny if it benefits them or if it falls one someone that they don't care about.  I am merely amused that the paeans to liberty are merely camouflage for the for the simple ideology of "I got mine, fuck the rest of you".

[11B4V]

I'm confident that anarchy is the proper way forward.

As long as it's in Europe.