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Started by Tamas, June 15, 2015, 11:27:32 AM

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Tamas

Quote from: Tyr on September 06, 2015, 03:09:42 PM
Read an interesting theory today that blamed the Syria situation on global warming.
This is: the first of the 21st century climate change massed people movements?


Syt

Quote from: Tyr on September 06, 2015, 03:09:42 PM
Read an interesting theory today that blamed the Syria situation on global warming.
This is: the first of the 21st century climate change massed people movements?

There was a multi year drought that drove country folk into the cities where they lived in poverty because the state didn't care for them, creating major dissatisfaction.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Tamas

Quote from: Syt on September 06, 2015, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: Tyr on September 06, 2015, 03:09:42 PM
Read an interesting theory today that blamed the Syria situation on global warming.
This is: the first of the 21st century climate change massed people movements?

There was a multi year drought that drove country folk into the cities where they lived in poverty because the state didn't care for them, creating major dissatisfaction.

Many major dissent can be traced back to droughts indeed. (case in point, starts of 1848 in eastern europe), but that has been happening way before global warming was a thing

Liep

Quote from: Ancient Demon on September 06, 2015, 01:29:16 PM
Quote from: Liep on September 06, 2015, 01:10:20 PM
Most likely they'll eventually evade the police and go to Sweden.

Mission accomplished. :)

It seems we have an effective police force (much to the frustration of the right wing) so almost every refugee arriving on boats last night was rounded up not that far north, promptly checked in at a nearby hotel, fed and taken care of by the Red Cross and is now under police supervision until they will be driven to the nearest asylum centre.
"Af alle latterlige Ting forekommer det mig at være det allerlatterligste at have travlt" - Kierkegaard

"JamenajmenømahrmDÆ!DÆ! Æhvnårvaæhvadlelæh! Hvor er det crazy, det her, mand!" - Uffe Elbæk

Liep

One refugee told a reporter: "We paid €3000 to a guy in Turkey to take us through Europe and until Denmark it had been a breeze."
"Af alle latterlige Ting forekommer det mig at være det allerlatterligste at have travlt" - Kierkegaard

"JamenajmenømahrmDÆ!DÆ! Æhvnårvaæhvadlelæh! Hvor er det crazy, det her, mand!" - Uffe Elbæk

Liep

An ad placed in Libyan newspapers detailing the new governments harsh cut to welfare for asylum seekers. They now only get a little less than our students but are still not allowed to work.

I know I couldn't survive on student pay alone, so I pity the refugees that don't make it across to Sweden.  :(

"Af alle latterlige Ting forekommer det mig at være det allerlatterligste at have travlt" - Kierkegaard

"JamenajmenømahrmDÆ!DÆ! Æhvnårvaæhvadlelæh! Hvor er det crazy, det her, mand!" - Uffe Elbæk

Syt

There's been a bit of a row between Austria and Hungary regarding the refugees. Hungary rejects claims that they're exacerbating the problem but rather that they're receiving mixed signals between "let them go" and "keep them there," and whether or not they should close their non-EU borders.

15,000 refugees passed through Vienna this weekend. 90 stayed in Austria to apply for asylum, the rest continued on to Germany. There were plenty volunteers at Westbahnhof providing the refugees with food, drink, and medical service.

Meanwhile in Iraq ...





I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Tamas

 :lol:

So what, all of Iraq will get on the road now?

Liep

There have never been so many journalists in Rødby. It's fascinating television in a weird way with Police trying to explain to the refugees in bad English that they cannot go back on the train to Sweden because we have to keep them here according to EU rules.

What's worse though is that the police is blatantly ignoring the no smoking on platforms rule. :angry:
"Af alle latterlige Ting forekommer det mig at være det allerlatterligste at have travlt" - Kierkegaard

"JamenajmenømahrmDÆ!DÆ! Æhvnårvaæhvadlelæh! Hvor er det crazy, det her, mand!" - Uffe Elbæk

Legbiter

Quote from: Tamas on September 07, 2015, 03:34:59 AM
:lol:

So what, all of Iraq will get on the road now?

It's like watching Camp of the Saints play out IRL.  :wacko:
Posted using 100% recycled electrons.

Tamas

Quote from: Liep on September 07, 2015, 03:59:13 AM
There have never been so many journalists in Rødby. It's fascinating television in a weird way with Police trying to explain to the refugees in bad English that they cannot go back on the train to Sweden because we have to keep them here according to EU rules.

What's worse though is that the police is blatantly ignoring the no smoking on platforms rule. :angry:

As much as despise what has been happening in Hungary, I wonder if Denmark is going to get the same bad international press for trying to hold up EU law, or that is reserved for east euro countries.

Tamas


Ok so moralise this:

Just recently few hundred migrants, waiting to be transported by buses for registration, wanted to break through the police officers guarding them.

What should be done here? Not letting them move around freely until they are registered and their asylum request being evaluated is what Hungary is supposed to be doing under EU law.

I am thinking maybe Germany should send German police/border officers to administrate registration processes into Germany on the Hungarian-Serbian border, because otherwise there will be just bigger chaos and violence in Hungary.
The migrants do not want to stop and they were shown that resistance and violence are the key to getting into Germany.

Legbiter

Funnel them away as quickly as possible to Mutti. It will be interesting to see if Schengen survives the year.
Posted using 100% recycled electrons.

Liep

Danish police is not as persistent as Hungary's and now they've just let the migrants go. Currently they're walking in the shoulder on E47 towards Copenhagen and finally Malmö.
"Af alle latterlige Ting forekommer det mig at være det allerlatterligste at have travlt" - Kierkegaard

"JamenajmenømahrmDÆ!DÆ! Æhvnårvaæhvadlelæh! Hvor er det crazy, det her, mand!" - Uffe Elbæk

Tamas

Quote from: Liep on September 07, 2015, 06:29:19 AM
Danish police is not as persistent as Hungary's and now they've just let the migrants go. Currently they're walking in the shoulder on E47 towards Copenhagen and finally Malmö.

Yeah. So Denmark is breaking EU law.

For once I agree with Legbiter. This could be the end of Schengen.