EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[Valmy]

Yeah, I don't think this is about moving to a richer country so much as moving to a country that isn't in a civil war.

So what was the deal with the refugees in Turkey? Did they just keep them locked up in camps or something?

I heard some Egyptian expert saying Turkey was driving all the refugees into Greece and the EU with the intention of trying to destabilize them but that seemed a bit too mustache twirlingly evil.

[Josquius]

That they could have just stayed in an earlier country is a fair point.
But.... Put yourself in their shoes- you're already displaced from your country and on the move. You might as well try and make the best you can of a bad situation.
Consider too that they think life in Europe for them will be much better than it actually will be

[Liep]

I heard some Egyptian expert saying Turkey was driving all the refugees into Greece and the EU with the intention of trying to destabilize them but that seemed a bit too mustache twirlingly evil.

Well, it's working.

[Razgovory]

Yeah, I don't think this is about moving to a richer country so much as moving to a country that isn't in a civil war.

So what was the deal with the refugees in Turkey? Did they just keep them locked up in camps or something?

I heard some Egyptian expert saying Turkey was driving all the refugees into Greece and the EU with the intention of trying to destabilize them but that seemed a bit too mustache twirlingly evil.

Some are.  None are allowed to really stay.  Most are not even there legally and could be sent back to Syria at anytime.

[Norgy]

I'd just like to add to the discussion that these Syrians are actual human beings. And that it's pretty much on us that ISIL and Assad's regime can do what they want to.

[Valmy]

I'd just like to add to the discussion that these Syrians are actual human beings. And that it's pretty much on us that ISIL and Assad's regime can do what they want to.

Hey I want them all brought to North America. Taking care of refugees and doing humanitarian intervention should be the main way we interact with these crises IMO. I was just curious what was going on in Turkey.

I am not sure why it is on us what happens in Syria.

[Tamas]

Hungarian government has announced: they will be picking up the refugees at the Budapest train station and the ones marching on the motorway, and will transfer them to the austrian border.

[Valmy]

Hungarian government has announced: they will be picking up the refugees at the Budapest train station and the ones marching on the motorway, and will transfer them to the austrian border.

I hope the Austrians are ready to receive them.

[Eddie Teach]

I'd just like to add to the discussion that these Syrians are actual human beings.

True.

And that it's pretty much on us that ISIL and Assad's regime can do what they want to.

No, we agreed, they're human beings, not kittens.

[viper37]

Yeah, I don't think this is about moving to a richer country so much as moving to a country that isn't in a civil war.

So what was the deal with the refugees in Turkey? Did they just keep them locked up in camps or something?

I heard some Egyptian expert saying Turkey was driving all the refugees into Greece and the EU with the intention of trying to destabilize them but that seemed a bit too mustache twirlingly evil.

they are treated as guests with limited rights.  Those who make it inside the camps receive food, healthcare and some money.  Those outside, the majority, have to fend for themselves.

[crazy canuck]

I'd just like to add to the discussion that these Syrians are actual human beings.

True.

And that it's pretty much on us that ISIL and Assad's regime can do what they want to.

No, we agreed, they're human beings, not kittens.

Kittens decided that George Bush should destabilize the region.  I hadn't heard that particular conspiracy theory before.

[Valmy]

Kittens decided that George Bush should destabilize the region.  I hadn't heard that particular conspiracy theory before.

While I get that I think Assad did a few things to make his people unhappy on his own.

But in any case Americans there trying to stabilize the region is what destabilized it in the first place, well to the extent it was previously not destabilized.

[Eddie Teach]

George Bush had nothing to do with putting or keeping Assad in power, and Saddam was just as bad.

[crazy canuck]

George Bush had nothing to do with putting or keeping Assad in power, and Saddam was just as bad.

I think you are missing the whole Gulf War 2 thing when one thinks about the region being destabilized.

[crazy canuck]

But in any case Americans there trying to stabilize the region is what destabilized it in the first place, well to the extent it was previously not destabilized.

Wow.  Amnesia about just how bad the US messed things up in the region is strong with this board.