EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[Queequeg]

[So this is Europe's (or Canada's) fault rather than the boy's parents or the smugglers they trusted? 

There's an industry of self flagellation going strong in the West.  So no doubt there are some idiots already mouthing that this tragedy is just another proof the West is guilty of (insert any favorite crime here) and should atone for them by disfiguring itself and accept any number of those 'refugees'...



G.

You are a despicable human being. I am glad you will not have children and will die alone.

For all our disagreements Marty, I'm glad we agree on this.

[Liep]

The EUOT thread about the boy's family is titled, "Irresponsible Syrian father sees own family die"

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/irresponsible-syrian-father-sees-own-family-die.880200/

We need a smiley like this :headshakingindisbelief:

[Syt]

Had a blast from the past when my old local paper's webpage talked about the old army base in Albersdorf where I did my service now becoming a facility for refugees.

And they added this picture of my old block:



Our room was the one on the right, above the entrance. And many a morning roll call in front of it.

[celedhring]

Looks like our government will bow to domestic pressure and accept the refugee distribution, after being initially against it. Most major Spanish cities - ruled by the left nowadays - were already outlining plans to accommodate refugees independently of the government.

We're likely to still get allocated a pretty small amount of them though, given our economic woes.

[Syt]

Finally an impartial voice!

http://www.rt.com/news/314318-putin-vladivostok-eu-migrants/

EU refugee crisis 'absolutely expected' – Putin

Russia has frequently warned of major problems which Europe would face as a result of Western policies in the Middle East and North Africa and jihadist groups terrorizing people, so the current refugee crisis in the EU doesn't come as a surprise, said the President of Russia.

"I think the crisis was absolutely expected," President Vladimir Putin told journalists at the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok.

"We in Russia, and me personally a few years ago, said it straight that pervasive problems would emerge, if our so-called Western partners continue maintaining their flawed ... foreign policy, especially in the regions of the Muslim world, Middle East, North Africa, which they pursue to date," said Putin.

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According to the Russian president, the main flaw of Western foreign policy is the imposition of their own standards worldwide without taking into account the historical, religious, national and cultural characteristics of particular regions.

The only way to reverse the refugee flow streaming into Europe is to help people resolve problems at home. And the first step should be by creating a common and united front against jihadist groups such as Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) and fighting them at their core.

"We really want to form some kind of an international coalition, therefore we conduct consultations with our US partners," Putin said, noting that he spoke about it with President Obama.

However it is premature to discuss "direct" Russian involvement in military actions against ISIS, needless to say joining the US-led coalition, as Moscow is currently considering "other options," said Putin.

The issue of rebuilding local economies and social spheres to convince terrified people to move back would only arise after terrorism is rooted out, Russian President said. But international support for rebuilding the statehood of the countries which have suffered at the hand of ISIS should only occur with full respect for history, culture and local traditions.

"But if we act unilaterally and argue about the quasi-democratic principles and procedures for certain areas, that will lead us to an even greater impasse," Putin concluded.

The Russian leader emphasized that he was being critical to figure out "what is happening, and what to do next," rather than to tease or to point out that Western policies were "shortsighted."

Putin noted that the US is not facing a refugee crisis of the same magnitude as the EU, which has been "blindly following American orders."

Prior to Putin's speech, the Russian Foreign Ministry said that the EU could actually learn something from Russia in terms of offering proper living conditions to those fleeing conflict zones.

Reminding Brussels of Russia's experience in dealing with the influx of civilians fleeing Kiev's so-called "anti-terrorist operation" in neighboring Ukraine, the ministry's spokeswoman, Maria Zakharova said that hundreds of thousands of refugees who fled to Russia were provided with "shelter, food and aid."

[Martinus]

 

[Tamas]

Chaos in Hungary is slowly growing. The German declaration about not kicking any Syrians out is causing a LOT of grief.

[Tamas]

https://twitter.com/jamesmatesitv/status/639751349433958400/photo/1

[Grallon]

You are a despicable human being. I am glad you will not have children and will die alone.

Whatever you say.



G.

[Tamas]

At one of the camps around 300 people climbed out this morning, were chased by police, most of them escaped.

Rest of camp-dwellers are now hurling stones at the police, who have received reinforcement from the riot police. The camp has app. 2000 refugees.

I know things hadn't been exactly rosy before Germany started being a dick, but I am quite ready to blame this on them. Those poor sobs think they have a free ticket to Germany, and are only blocked by unjust Hungarian tyranny, where as in fact Hungary is only trying to uphold EU law.

[Syt]

While I agree that Hungary (and Italy, Bulgaria, Greece ....) are in a shitty position when it comes to refugees and left to fend for themselves for many years now, it's also disgusting to hear Orban milking the situation for what it's worth and proselytizing about defending Christendom from the Muslim hordes and how Europeans will soon be a minority on the continent.

Tamas, any indication what average Joe Goulash thinks about his rhetoric?

[Tamas]

Oh yes he is milking the whole thing to indrouce new police-statish laws, it is very disgusting.

Average Joe opinion: I think everyone is worried. It is a growing influx of alien people (in terms of culture and language) coupled with an apparent impotency of the government in handling them, I cannot really fault the population for being concerned.

And then these concerns are further detailed by political leanings and general empathy: from considering the migrants terrorists in disguise and general human scum to the other end of painting them people who cannot possibly under any circumstance be bad on an individual level. And the middle seeing them as poor desperate people who are going to cause serious issues for us as well in their understandable desperation.

[Martinus]

Oh yes he is milking the whole thing to indrouce new police-statish laws, it is very disgusting.

Average Joe opinion: I think everyone is worried. It is a growing influx of alien people (in terms of culture and language) coupled with an apparent impotency of the government in handling them, I cannot really fault the population for being concerned.

And then these concerns are further detailed by political leanings and general empathy: from considering the migrants terrorists in disguise and general human scum to the other end of painting them people who cannot possibly under any circumstance be bad on an individual level. And the middle seeing them as poor desperate people who are going to cause serious issues for us as well in their understandable desperation.

I know this is rarely practiced in Eastern Europe, when it comes to international relations, but shouldn't you then be blaming your own country and government and not Germany? 

[Tamas]

Oh yes he is milking the whole thing to indrouce new police-statish laws, it is very disgusting.

Average Joe opinion: I think everyone is worried. It is a growing influx of alien people (in terms of culture and language) coupled with an apparent impotency of the government in handling them, I cannot really fault the population for being concerned.

And then these concerns are further detailed by political leanings and general empathy: from considering the migrants terrorists in disguise and general human scum to the other end of painting them people who cannot possibly under any circumstance be bad on an individual level. And the middle seeing them as poor desperate people who are going to cause serious issues for us as well in their understandable desperation.

I know this is rarely practiced in Eastern Europe, when it comes to international relations, but shouldn't you then be blaming your own country and government and not Germany? 

I am blaming Germany for the particular situation that has developed in the last couple of days: I am sure you are not aware, but the migrants were remarkably peaceful  for months, but after they learned they have a free ticket to stay in Germany, they have become much harder to handle and things are escalating by the hour.

YES in big part because managing cca. 500 uppity migrants is too much for the Hungarian state administration to handle effectively, but you cannot dismiss the correlation between assinine German declarations and the events unfolding.

[Martinus]

Oh yes he is milking the whole thing to indrouce new police-statish laws, it is very disgusting.

Average Joe opinion: I think everyone is worried. It is a growing influx of alien people (in terms of culture and language) coupled with an apparent impotency of the government in handling them, I cannot really fault the population for being concerned.

And then these concerns are further detailed by political leanings and general empathy: from considering the migrants terrorists in disguise and general human scum to the other end of painting them people who cannot possibly under any circumstance be bad on an individual level. And the middle seeing them as poor desperate people who are going to cause serious issues for us as well in their understandable desperation.

I know this is rarely practiced in Eastern Europe, when it comes to international relations, but shouldn't you then be blaming your own country and government and not Germany? 

I am blaming Germany for the particular situation that has developed in the last couple of days: I am sure you are not aware, but the migrants were remarkably peaceful  for months, but after they learned they have a free ticket to stay in Germany, they have become much harder to handle and things are escalating by the hour.

YES in big part because managing cca. 500 uppity migrants is too much for the Hungarian state administration to handle effectively, but you cannot dismiss the correlation between assinine German declarations and the events unfolding.

If they have been staying in the camp (rather than processed and allowed to live, take jobs and earn money) *for months* as you say, then it again only points to Hungarian government's incompetence or bad will in handling the situation. I am not surprised the refugees are pissed off. You can't keep people for months in a refugee camp with no firm deadline for when they will be able to go back to normal lives.