EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[Liep]

Most Jews had to flee Denmark in the 20th century. Many went to Sweden.

We've lost our touch when it comes to helping people flee, or maybe our current police is just better than the Nazis were at stopping it.

[Eddie Teach]

but here we are talking you have no choice, go to the camp and anything of 'significant' enough value well we are going to search you and take that from you.

I guess they have the choice to go to another country that is more enlightened.

Heh, but a lot of this is Merkel's fault for that "We'll take them all" statement.

[MadImmortalMan]

Heh, but a lot of this is Merkel's fault for that "We'll take them all" statement.

I'm pretty sure this whole thing was planned and ready to launch long before that.

[The Brain]

but here we are talking you have no choice, go to the camp and anything of 'significant' enough value well we are going to search you and take that from you.

I guess they have the choice to go to another country that is more enlightened.

Heh, but a lot of this is Merkel's fault for that "We'll take them all" statement.

"...to Madagascar."

[Zanza]

but here we are talking you have no choice, go to the camp and anything of 'significant' enough value well we are going to search you and take that from you.

I guess they have the choice to go to another country that is more enlightened.

Heh, but a lot of this is Merkel's fault for that "We'll take them all" statement.

I disagree with that narrative.
But even if that was the case they should have read the fineprint. The law in Germany is not new. If this is "horrible" or "monstrous" as posts have claimed then I suggest don't come.

[garbon]

but here we are talking you have no choice, go to the camp and anything of 'significant' enough value well we are going to search you and take that from you.

I guess they have the choice to go to another country that is more enlightened.

Heh, but a lot of this is Merkel's fault for that "We'll take them all" statement.

I disagree with that narrative.
But even if that was the case they should have read the fineprint. The law in Germany is not new. If this is "horrible" or "monstrous" as posts have claimed then I suggest don't come.

Actually, I doubt it is a big deal for most refugees as I doubt most have items of substantial value. So German gets to look monstrous (okay big surprise there) and it does little to slow the stream.

Yay for policies that do little and are shitty for PR?

[Zanza]

the average value confiscated per person in December was in the "four-figure range."

No idea how significant it is.

As far as bad PR is concerned, why should we care what foreigners think? We think that most other countries are not doing anywhere near enough and leave us alone with handling this humanitarian disaster. So fuck you. Do it less monstrous yourselves or just shut up.

[garbon]

the average value confiscated per person in December was in the "four-figure range."

No idea how significant it is.

Well probably more monstrous if you are actually netting a good chunk of change. I doubt it though given that again how many refugees are strolling in with high value items?

As far as bad PR is concerned, why should we care what foreigners think? We think that most other countries are not doing anywhere near enough and leave us alone with handling this humanitarian disaster. So fuck you. Do it less monstrous yourselves or just shut up.

That's quite a bit of hostility for not caring what a foreigner thinks.

Also, I don't think I really need to explain to you why it might matter if foreigners and their countries take a dim view of another country.

[Jacob]

Well, I won't speak to Germany but I think the Danish handling of this is petty and disgraceful.

[Liep]

Flattering cartoon of our PM (from the party Venstre)

[Zanza]

That's quite a bit of hostility for not caring what a foreigner thinks.

Hmm. I feel contempt for our so called European partners. That makes me much less caring what they in turn think.

Edit: Not in general, but in this matter.

[Razgovory]

the average value confiscated per person in December was in the "four-figure range."

No idea how significant it is.

As far as bad PR is concerned, why should we care what foreigners think? We think that most other countries are not doing anywhere near enough and leave us alone with handling this humanitarian disaster. So fuck you. Do it less monstrous yourselves or just shut up.

And you wonder why we spy on you.

[Martinus]

Clearly, the concept of helping a local poor person and a refugee should be based on a completely different principle.

The German social state is based on the concept of need. If you or your immediate relations can support yourself with anything, the state does not pay. I don't see why the residency status should play a role in the application of that rule.

A local poor person still has some grounding in the local social network, whether through family, friends, etc.

If a local poor person has family with means, the state will make that family support the local poor person too - if they want or not. My grandmother had to pay for her estranged father whom she hadn't seen in decades when he needed elderly care.

You don't understand the point. Help for refugees is not based on them being poor, it's based on them being refugees.

Now, if we were talking about some fat Syrian cat showing up in Germany in a private jet, with millions of dollars on his bank account, and then expecting to scrounge off that luxurious German refugee camp lifestyle at the German tax payer's expense, sure make him pay for it.

But we are talking about people who have lost everything they had except they managed to keep a fraction of it by taking some valuables with them. They arrive in Germany with very little control over what they can do - they are not let out to integrate with the society, given a house and allowed to get a job - they are put in highly transitional and uncertain situation, in a refugee camp, where they cannot do anything to better their situation, but to wait for their refugee application to be processed. And on top of that the German state makes them pay for the privilege and makes them even more destitute by taking away the last vestiges of the sense of security from them.

As I said, it's monstrous, and as garbo said it does very little, and is a stupid PR move, all in the name of some idiotic sense of "ordnung". But then what can you expect from descendants of the nazis.

[Zanza]

Ok, whatever. I guess it's a good thing other countries don't have to implement that monstrous nazist policy by just not taking in any refugees in the first place.

By the way, your post makes clear you agree with the general policy and it is just about the threshold.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

That's quite a bit of hostility for not caring what a foreigner thinks.

Hmm. I feel contempt for our so called European partners. That makes me much less caring what they in turn think.

Edit: Not in general, but in this matter.

most of your european partners feel contempt for Germany (or rather merkel) for the insane 'Wir schaffen das' lapsus.