EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[Valmy]

not that killing animals in your own backyard is possible for most Westerners.

I have done it. Hard to believe that was once something almost everybody did on a regular basis.

Anyway I still think 3-D printed meat is on the way and the days of industrial slaughter are numbered.

[Duque de Bragança]

In most slaughterhouse animals are supposed to have some kind of anesthesia before. To get some hallal-style slaughtering you need to go to the countryside witness the pig slaughter with the quick (hopefully) slit throat. Otherwise, the sow death yell is awful.
I took pictures of such a slaughtering matança once to document it. No, it was not in Paris.

[Syt]

Spar said they checked with the Austrian Muslim community and confirmed that using anesthetic before the killing was ok and the meat would still be halal. I guess it depends on how orthodox your views on this is whether or not it's ok.

I remember that when I did my military service in 95/96 that the few Muslim conscripts who served at the time had problems come meal time, because a lot of our food would have pork in it, and obviously there'd be no food designated halal.

[Liep]

Loving that the Canadians are feeling superior for accepting a plane full of refugees.

[Liep]

Meanwhile back in anti-refugee land the richest part of Denmark is hit with a knock out punch, au pairs from non-EU countries no longer counts as immigrants in the quota system and so that municipal actually has to take in refugees now.

This crisis truly affects us all. You know, unless you're not a refugee.

[Tamas]

I read yesterday that the Finns have arrested two twin "refugees" who are accused of killing 11 people on an ISIS propaganda video.

[The Brain]

They both had an evil twin? Lazy writing.

[Duque de Bragança]

I read yesterday that the Finns have arrested two twin "refugees" who are accused of killing 11 people on an ISIS propaganda video.

Yep, It showed up on French press with the regional elections it did not get attention.

http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/monde/europe/finlande-arrestation-de-deux-freres-jumeaux-irakiens-proches-de-daech_1744883.html
French link

Earlier link but still interesting about these so-called refugees, shia in this case.

http://observers.france24.com/en/20150930-online-hunt-iraqi-syrian-militiamen-europe-refugees

The online hunt for Iraqi and Syrian militiamen in Europe

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OBSERVERS
Mohamed Al-Cheikhili   

Europe's unprecedented migrant crisis appears to have presented an opportunity for some Shiite militiamen fighting in the Middle East. Internet users believe they have spotted a handful of notorious fighters in photos of refugees in Europe. There is now a campaign to name and shame these alleged militiamen, as our Observer explains.

In Iraq, Shiite militiamen are fighting against the Islamic State group's jihadists. In neighbouring Syria, they're fighting alongside Bashar Al Assad's army as the country sinks into an ever-deadlier conflict. Yet according to new photographic evidence, dozens may have also reached Europe by hiding among the tide of refugees pouring out of Syria.

Sajjad Al-Atibi is probably the most notorious of these militiamen to have been spotted. He's known to be close to Abu Azrael, a provocative figure who recently appeared in a video in which he mutilated and burned alive a man suspected of belonging to the Islamic State group.

In one photo published on social media networks, Al-Atibi appears alongside Azrael, clutching a rifle. Both men fought together in the Imam Ali brigade, a militia battling Islamic State group jihadists under the banner of the Hachid al-Chaabi paramilitary coalition.

Internet users spotted a second photo showing Al-Atibi taking a selfie with an Austrian policeman. When questioned about the photo, the Imam Ali brigade insisted - in a hardly convincing manner - that their fighter was not fleeing to Europe, but was simply there on holiday.


In the photo on the left, Al-Atibi poses with an Austrian policeman. In the photo on the right, he can be seen alongside a militiaman called Abu Azrael, known for committing acts of torture. Photo published on Twitter and blurred by France 24.


Outraged, Azrael filmed a video in which he called on any militia fighters who have fled the country to immediately come back. He notably warns against a so-called "American-Israeli conspiracy aimed at emptying Iraq of its combatants."

Another set of widely-shared images are those that show this militiaman, who clearly fights for the Iraqi Hezbollah. He turns up in several photos wearing the uniform of the unit, which is suspected of carrying out a series of kidnappings and murders throughout 2014 in the cities of Samarra and Kirkuk. In another group of photos, the same man is shown dressed in rags, crying, and holding a baby in his arms behind a barbed wire fence. According to the Al-Arabiya TV network, the photos were reportedly taken on the Hungarian border. France 24 has not been able to independently verify that information as yet.

We tried to contact Iraq's Hezbollah brigade for more information, but did not receive a response.

Another militiaman shows up in several pictures wearing an Iraqi army fatigues (as is common for Shiite militia fighters) and carrying weapons. But that doesn't appear to have stopped him from regularly giving updates on his journey to Europe via Facebook. In a series of posts, he chronicles a journey that seems to have taken him to Greece, then Germany, and finally Finland, where he appears to have settled.


In the photos on the left, the young fighter wears military fatigues in Iraq. On the right he's shown in Finland, having recently arrived. These photos were uploaded to his Facebook page. Photo blurred by France 24.

According to the Iraqi NGO Al-Salam, more than 300 Iraqi militiamen may have sneaked out of the country by hiding among civilians fleeing cities like Ramadi, Fallujah, and Mosul, where fighting between Iraqi army troops and Shiite militias on one side and Islamic State group jihadists on the other has been raging since last August. They head first to Turkey, before reaching Europe onboard rickety boats used by refugees.

Mohamed Al-Cheikhili works for the National Centre for Justice, an Iraqi human rights NGO based in London. He's launched a campaign to gather more information about these fighters in order to prosecute them.

"These militiamen are so happy to reach Europe that they can't refrain from posting photos on social media networks

We've even received help from inside the Iraqi government, particularly from a well-placed official in the Ministry of Human Rights who provided us with photos. However, this person doesn't want to reveal his or her identity because the powerful Shiite militias could then put pressure on him.

Quite often, these same militiamen often name and shame themselves. But they forget that the photos showing their time fighting within the ranks of militias still exist online! However, many of them deactivate both their Facebook and Twitter accounts as soon as they realise that they have been uncovered.

To be granted asylum in Europe, these militia fighters often pretend to be Sunnis fleeing regions in western Iraq, like al-Anbar, a province ravaged by Islamic State group jihadists. Some buy fake Syrian passports in order to speed up the asylum process.

But we don't only focus on investigating Iraqi militias. We've also spotted pro-government Syrian fighters among the refugees and have pointed out their presence to the relevant authorities.


On social media networks, this man is accused of being part of the notorious 'Shabiha', a militia with very close ties to the Syrian regime. Photo uploaded to Twitter and blurred by France 24.

The United Nations Convention relating to the Status of Refugees, as well as the 1990 Dublin Regulation on the right to asylum, states that asylum will be refused to anyone implicated in war crimes, crimes against humanity or genocide. We use that as a foundation on which to base our calls for European countries to refuse giving refugee status to these militiamen. So we're continuing to gather evidence against militia fighters that have carried out abuses against civilians in Iraq.
Shiite militia fighters are not the only militiamen to have been spotted in Europe. Several fighters for Iraqi Kurd militias have also been spotted in recent weeks, again through photos posted on social media. Human Rights Watch has accused Iraqi Kurdish forces of stopping Arab residents from returning to their homes after they were displaced by fighting with jihadists this summer, in the Ninawa and Irbil provinces. They are also accused of detaining 70 local Arab men for long periods without charge.
WAR CRIMES /  EUROPE /  IRAQ

[Crazy_Ivan80]

One thing is certain: since france started controlling its border with Belgium again the cross-border (that is from France into Belgium, and more specifically South-West-Flanders) crime-wave (usually by people from maghrebien-stock) has dropped of to almost nothing. Needless to say that a lot of people in the region aren't in a hurry to see Shengen re-enacted in full there, given that the crime-wave has been going on for nearly two decades.

[Liep]

We're famous! DENMARK! DENMARK!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/16/denmark-wants-to-take-jewelry-from-syrian-refugees.html?

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/17/10326178/denmark-refugee-jewelry-valuables

[Archy]

The Vikings are pillaging again.

[The Brain]

Bring out your dentalwear!

[Josquius]

To be granted asylum in Europe, these militia fighters often pretend to be Sunnis fleeing regions in western Iraq, like al-Anbar, a province ravaged by Islamic State group jihadists. Some buy fake Syrian passports in order to speed up the asylum process

Is there any way to tell the difference between Sunnis and shiites?
Some kind of test like the old feudal japanese step on the Christian idol thing?

[Crazy_Ivan80]

To be granted asylum in Europe, these militia fighters often pretend to be Sunnis fleeing regions in western Iraq, like al-Anbar, a province ravaged by Islamic State group jihadists. Some buy fake Syrian passports in order to speed up the asylum process

Is there any way to tell the difference between Sunnis and shiites?
Some kind of test like the old feudal japanese step on the Christian idol thing?

yes there are: the same tests -ironically- IS uses to differentiate and which have been mentioned in the ISIS thread (iirc). It's in the way they pray and such
The bigger issue is of course how to recognise fake syrian passports. Nigh on impossible since the rebels can make their own using stolen -official- equipment.
The solution is of course to send them all to Russia or keep them in the region.

[Syt]

http://www.thelocal.at/20151218/xenophobes-mistake-baroque-church-for-mosque

Xenophobes mistake church for mosque

Far-right extremists who mistook one of Europe's most famous churches for a mosque have demanded it be pulled down.

The world-famous St Charles Church - or Karlskirche - in the Austrian capital Vienna is regarded as the city's most famous baroque church.

But a campaign to have the building which was completed in 1737 pulled down was launched after a story appeared in satirical Austrian newspaper Die Tagespresse claiming that anti-immigration Freedom Party of Austria (FPÖ) chairman Heinz-Christian Strache wanted the Karlsplatz "Mosque" pulled down.

From there it became a campaign on social media, with numerous groups starting to back the campaign to have the mosque pulled down, even though it is not a mosque at all - but a Catholic Church.

The similarity to a mosque was apparently because the architect of the time, Johann Bernhard Fischer von Erlach, had modelled his design on the Hagia Sophia, a former Christian church that later became a mosque in the Turkish city of Istanbul.

Ironically the original satirical posting was made five months ago, but it has only now gone viral on social media.

One user wrote: "This building should simply be eradicated and it just doesn't belong in our culture. Who's building such crap in our society?

Others demanded to know whose money had been used to build the mosque.

And yet another demanded that it be pulled down so that a decent church can be built in its place.

Original article (in German): "FPÖ leader Strache wants to tear down mosque at Karlsplatz": http://dietagespresse.com/strache-will-moschee-am-wiener-karlsplatz-abreissen/