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[Josquius]

I mean what is more feasible? Phasing in electric cars or rebuilding an entire continent of cities?

Neither/both.
There just isn't the availability of rare earths for replacing all our cars with electrics.

[Sheilbh]

I mean what is more feasible? Phasing in electric cars or rebuilding an entire continent of cities?

Neither/both.
There just isn't the availability of rare earths for replacing all our cars with electrics.

Yeah plus, as I say, you produce far-less carbon if you buy second-hand gas guzzlers than buying a new electric car given the manufacturing cost.

[Valmy]

Which types of rare earths do electric engines require?

[Valmy]

I mean what is more feasible? Phasing in electric cars or rebuilding an entire continent of cities?

Neither/both.
There just isn't the availability of rare earths for replacing all our cars with electrics.

Yeah plus, as I say, you produce far-less carbon if you buy second-hand gas guzzlers than buying a new electric car given the manufacturing cost.

But ripping down an entire continent of cities and rebuilding them to be more compact is carbon efficient?

[Sheilbh]

But ripping down an entire continent of cities and rebuilding them to be more compact is carbon efficient?

Why would we have to rebuild as opposed to just build? And again it's not just about compactness or mega-cities.

But yeah it's a fair point. But it's also a point you could make about any infrastructure like developing train networks or even renewable energy. The point is those are all investments and infrastructure that in the long-terms enables lots of people to reduce their carbon footpring. Electric vehicles do the opposite because you're still relying on energy for an individuals transport, whether on a daily basis or just at the weekend. And as I say presumably we gradually phase to electric vehicles and so will a lot of the other 6 billion humans without cars which isn't sustainable - whereas developing public infrastructure and working out how to adjust our societies to live without cars is sustainable and probably a better export.

[Razgovory]

This is a decent article on the whole thing-
http://nautil.us/issue/7/waste/did-cars-save-our-cities-from-horses

What else you got?

[Razgovory]

I mean what is more feasible? Phasing in electric cars or rebuilding an entire continent of cities?

Neither/both.
There just isn't the availability of rare earths for replacing all our cars with electrics.

Yeah plus, as I say, you produce far-less carbon if you buy second-hand gas guzzlers than buying a new electric car given the manufacturing cost.

But ripping down an entire continent of cities farms and rebuilding them to be more compact is carbon efficient?

Fixed your post to reflect that you and I actually live on farms.

[Sheilbh]

This is a decent article on the whole thing-
http://nautil.us/issue/7/waste/did-cars-save-our-cities-from-horses

Interesting points and also the trams were a huge part of the early 20th century transport in the UK too. Basically every town over 20k had a tram service. They were largely replaced by buses but then those have been consistently cut back for decades (like the story of the Beeching cuts).

[Eddie Teach]

I once decided to walk to the nearest grocery store(roughly one kilometer away). All I bought was a gallon of milk and a jar of spaghetti sauce. It wasn't a pleasant return trip.

[Maladict]

I once decided to walk to the nearest grocery store(roughly one kilometer away). All I bought was a gallon of milk and a jar of spaghetti sauce. It wasn't a pleasant return trip.

Groceries are best done on a bike.

[garbon]

Groceries are best done on a bike.

No, that's not true.

[garbon]

But ripping down an entire continent of cities and rebuilding them to be more compact is carbon efficient?

Why would we have to rebuild as opposed to just build? And again it's not just about compactness or mega-cities.

Well we already have lots of places that have been built. I'm not sure how you change let's say Phoenix to be more compact/better connected without a combination of demolishing existing buildings and re-building elsewhere / tearing up things for transport infrastructure.

I'm not sure how you resolve something like my Massachusetts hometown without telling everyone they need to move out of their lightly populated areas and into more densely populated areas. Doing so will involve demolishing the now derelict areas and building new homes closer to transport links/hubs.

[Syt]

I once decided to walk to the nearest grocery store(roughly one kilometer away). All I bought was a gallon of milk and a jar of spaghetti sauce. It wasn't a pleasant return trip.

Dunno about other countries, but over here, people sometimes use trolleys such as this for larger shopping trips:



It used to be something only old people used, but I'm seeing more and more families using them.

[garbon]

I once decided to walk to the nearest grocery store(roughly one kilometer away). All I bought was a gallon of milk and a jar of spaghetti sauce. It wasn't a pleasant return trip.

Dunno about other countries, but over here, people sometimes use trolleys such as this for larger shopping trips:

It used to be something only old people used, but I'm seeing more and more families using them.

Yes, a granny cart.

[HVC]

I once decided to walk to the nearest grocery store(roughly one kilometer away). All I bought was a gallon of milk and a jar of spaghetti sauce. It wasn't a pleasant return trip.

You need one of those old lady shopping carts

Edit  and garbon beat me