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First Genocide of the 20th Century?

Started by Queequeg, April 27, 2015, 08:13:44 PM

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Got into an argument with this on FB, and I couldn't really decide.  

Herero and Namaqua Genocide
10 (50%)
Armenian Genocide
5 (25%)
Something Soviet Pre-War
0 (0%)
Other Interwar
0 (0%)
Nazi Germany's half-dozen simultaneous genocides
0 (0%)
Other
1 (5%)
Jaron
4 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 19

Siege

Any pictures of the german colonial army in Namibia?


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Valmy

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on April 28, 2015, 01:32:43 PM
Agree that the Herero and Namaqua was the first genocide of the Twentieth Century.

Damn Germany. You were only a Colonial Empire for thirty years.
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Baron von Schtinkenbutt

Quote from: Valmy on April 28, 2015, 02:05:34 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on April 28, 2015, 01:32:43 PM
Agree that the Herero and Namaqua was the first genocide of the Twentieth Century.

Damn Germany. You were only a Colonial Empire for thirty years.

Well, they did get to learn from Leopold how to deal with African natives.

Zanza

Quote from: Siege on April 28, 2015, 02:01:00 PM
Any pictures of the german colonial army in Namibia?

The perpetrators:



And some of their surviving victims:


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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Queequeg on April 27, 2015, 08:34:57 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 27, 2015, 08:21:24 PM
Shouldn't it be the Congo Free State?
I thought of it as a 19th Century phenomenon. 

QuoteI'm not sure why you consider proximity to the year 1900 something significant.
I think "genocide" is an actual practice that relies on a certain type of rhetorical justification and state involvement that I don't think many states were capable of in the 19th Century.  That's clearly a related argument, though.
It was ongoing at the turn of the 20th century.

Plenty of native tribes in the Americas and Australia were annihilated in the 19th century. I don't think this definition holds water.
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Norgy

Quote from: Queequeg on April 27, 2015, 08:13:44 PM
I'm reading Hannah Arendt and A Shameful Act simultaneously so this seems a really interesting question.  I'm voting Armenia.

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Norgy

Quote from: Habbaku on April 29, 2015, 12:42:39 PM
The Italians have always been adept at advancing new theories. It is the practical where they take a nap.

I got a laugh out of that post. :)

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