Slavery Poll

[Josquius]

And the thread is still open...interesting

[Valmy]

And the thread is still open...interesting

Who is going to close it?

[Razgovory]

The "zeitgeist" you spoke of has nothing to do with industrialization but rather the religious and philosophical ideas that opposed slavery in the last few centuries.

Ideas don't exist in a vacuum. The notion that slavery is wrong had been kicking around for millennia. It flourished in the late 18th century in the North and in England because there was little pushback.

It's not so much that capitalism was the direct cause of abolition, but that it enabled it.

You haven't really made your case.  Slavery died out in a large part because the British found it repulsive and they were powerful enough to pressure other states into stopping the slave trade and eventually slavery itself.

the only place the British needed slaves was in some colonies.  Had the British held on to the US, they might not have been so inclined to abolish slavery.

First, they abolished the trade, than slavery in the british empire, but not in colonies where they were needed, and finally they paid compensation to slave owners.  It was a gradual process, as slaves were less&less necessary.

They actually found that slaves were still necessary which is why they came up with Indian labor schemes.

[Valmy]

Did they come up with those? The usual MO was just to use already existing labor schemes like what the Spanish did in the former Incan Empire.

[Razgovory]

Did they come up with those? The usual MO was just to use already existing labor schemes like what the Spanish did in the former Incan Empire.

Other type of Indians.

[Valmy]

Did they come up with those? The usual MO was just to use already existing labor schemes like what the Spanish did in the former Incan Empire.

Other type of Indians.

Yes I am aware. The British did not make extensive use of native American labor that I am aware of. I am talking about how Colonial arrangements like these typically went.

[Razgovory]

Okay.  I don't understand the Inca reference then.  After slavery was abolished Britain used Indentured laborers from India in large quantities.  So clearly the elites still required cheap, not particularly free labor.

[Siege]

Is she a robot? 

When sex robots become available, the high end versions will look like famous people from the present and the past. Licensing fees will be a good source of income for these celebrities. I even heard a crazy technophile dude talking about some sort of morphologist sex robot that could change its look at your command. Basicly the same sexbot could be Keira Knightly tonight, and Scarlett Johansson the next day, and the issue was how the royalties would be paid to the owners of the sex profile.

Very crazy shit, if you ask me. I guess some people are never satisfied. Regardless, the sexbot industry will have a major impact in the technological developments that will eventually lead to the Tech Singularity, just as early internet porn had such a major impact in the developmet of digital video and video streaming. Soon enough, as virtual reality start to take off, porn will have the same effect in pushing the limits of the technology.

[Caliga]

Okay.  I don't understand the Inca reference then.  After slavery was abolished Britain used Indentured laborers from India in large quantities.  So clearly the elites still required cheap, not particularly free labor.

The Spanish really needed Incan slaves in their Navy, though.  They were renowned for their torpedo boat experience.

[Valmy]

Okay.  I don't understand the Inca reference then.  After slavery was abolished Britain used Indentured laborers from India in large quantities.  So clearly the elites still required cheap, not particularly free labor.

It was not a reference it was a famous example of what I was talking about. The local elites had ways of getting labor out of their people and the Euros just tended to coop that, preferably by buying off the elites themselves. Anyway agriculture required huge amounts of not particularly free labor from Sumerian times until mechanization came along. At least the British played a leading part in that.

So theoretically slavery should have died out with industrialization and all that. But it hasn't really. People always find new uses. At least we no longer have full-blown slave societies in the western world anymore.

[Malthus]

Is she a robot? 

When sex robots become available, the high end versions will look like famous people from the present and the past. Licensing fees will be a good source of income for these celebrities. I even heard a crazy technophile dude talking about some sort of morphologist sex robot that could change its look at your command. Basicly the same sexbot could be Keira Knightly tonight, and Scarlett Johansson the next day, and the issue was how the royalties would be paid to the owners of the sex profile.

Very crazy shit, if you ask me. I guess some people are never satisfied. Regardless, the sexbot industry will have a major impact in the technological developments that will eventually lead to the Tech Singularity, just as early internet porn had such a major impact in the developmet of digital video and video streaming. Soon enough, as virtual reality start to take off, porn will have the same effect in pushing the limits of the technology.

Well, at least it is better than breeding monkubines. 

[Siege]

Malthus, stop making up words.
You are not in kinder anymore.

[Tonitrus]

Is she a robot? 

When sex robots become available, the high end versions will look like famous people from the present and the past. Licensing fees will be a good source of income for these celebrities. I even heard a crazy technophile dude talking about some sort of morphologist sex robot that could change its look at your command. Basicly the same sexbot could be Keira Knightly tonight, and Scarlett Johansson the next day, and the issue was how the royalties would be paid to the owners of the sex profile.

Very crazy shit, if you ask me. I guess some people are never satisfied. Regardless, the sexbot industry will have a major impact in the technological developments that will eventually lead to the Tech Singularity, just as early internet porn had such a major impact in the developmet of digital video and video streaming. Soon enough, as virtual reality start to take off, porn will have the same effect in pushing the limits of the technology.

The far creepier part will be douche's having the sexbot resemble ex-girlfriends or unattainable crushes.  Will there be laws against your sexbot looking like someone without their permission?

[Admiral Yi]

My understanding is your likeness can't be used without your consent unless you're a public person and your likeness is therefore in the public domain.

[Tonitrus]

But if you can alter your sexbot likeness in the privacy of your own home, there is no way to enforce it (unless likeness's are somehow tagged).  Of course, this won't work if you are one of those douches that would take your sexbot out on "dates".