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The President's First Insult

Started by Siege, February 26, 2015, 10:16:04 AM

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Quote from: Duque de Bragança on February 26, 2015, 10:51:56 AM
No mention of Pagans, :mad: yet Muslims are mentioned. THANKS OBAMA

I thought he mentioned non-believers.
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Quote from: Jacob on February 26, 2015, 10:28:22 AM
I know plenty of Jews, American ones as well, who find the whole "Judeo-Christian" thing pretty insulting, and who do not think "the facts show that."

It's not insulting (how?) but it is a polite fiction at best.

America is a Christian country and always has been.  Thankfully it is also a country that has placed great value on religious tolerance and diversity.  It is really too bad the author quoted in the OP completely fails to understand that.
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Quote from: Valmy on February 26, 2015, 10:33:18 AM
It isn't hard to find people insulted by seemingly innocuous things.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 26, 2015, 11:38:36 AM
It's not insulting (how?) but it is a polite fiction at best.

Yeah, insulting was a bad choice of word on my part - "mildly annoying" would have been better :blush:

QuoteAmerica is a Christian country and always has been.  Thankfully it is also a country that has placed great value on religious tolerance and diversity.  It is really too bad the author quoted in the OP completely fails to understand that.

The mild annoyance, where I've seen it expressed, comes from people not liking having their identity co-opted and used for political purposes and the feeling that that is exactly what "Judeo-Christian" is used for, and typically not by Jews.

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Glad to see Siege reverting to the genial moron schtick.  It was hard to avoid taking him seriously when he started posting seriously.  Hopefully he is over that.
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Quote from: Jacob on February 26, 2015, 10:28:22 AM
I know plenty of Jews, American ones as well, who find the whole "Judeo-Christian" thing pretty insulting, and who do not think "the facts show that."

Then they probably don't understand that the "Judeo" in Judeo-Christian is a reference to the fact that the "Old Testament" was included in the Bible.  It is not a suggestion that the US is part Jewish and part Christian.  It is reference to the fact that the US is entirely a Christian nation and the Old Testament forms part of Christianity's Holy Book.

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Quote from: crazy canuck on February 26, 2015, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: Jacob on February 26, 2015, 10:28:22 AM
I know plenty of Jews, American ones as well, who find the whole "Judeo-Christian" thing pretty insulting, and who do not think "the facts show that."

Then they probably don't understand that the "Judeo" in Judeo-Christian is a reference to the fact that the "Old Testament" was included in the Bible.  It is not a suggestion that the US is part Jewish and part Christian.  It is reference to the fact that the US is entirely a Christian nation and the Old Testament forms part of Christianity's Holy Book.

:hmm:
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I thought Judeo-Christian was a statement about the Jewish and Christian roots of western culture not a claim of any sort of religious purity.  Anyway any statement that refers to Jews and Christians either together or separately is going to offend somebody.
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grumbler

Quote from: crazy canuck on February 26, 2015, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: Jacob on February 26, 2015, 10:28:22 AM
I know plenty of Jews, American ones as well, who find the whole "Judeo-Christian" thing pretty insulting, and who do not think "the facts show that."

Then they probably don't understand that the "Judeo" in Judeo-Christian is a reference to the fact that the "Old Testament" was included in the Bible.  It is not a suggestion that the US is part Jewish and part Christian.  It is reference to the fact that the US is entirely a Christian nation and the Old Testament forms part of Christianity's Holy Book.

Yes, I am sure that it American Jews who don't understand, and it is you that does understand.  :lol:
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grumbler

Quote from: Valmy on February 26, 2015, 12:33:14 PM
I thought Judeo-Christian was a statement about the Jewish and Christian roots of western culture not a claim of any sort of religious purity.  Anyway any statement that refers to Jews and Christians either together or separately is going to offend somebody.

You probably don't understand, either.
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Valmy

Quote from: grumbler on February 26, 2015, 12:45:36 PM
You probably don't understand, either.

If I did I would be explaining it rather than simply saying my thoughts on the matter.
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Quote from: grumbler on February 26, 2015, 12:16:13 PM
Glad to see Siege reverting to the genial moron schtick.  It was hard to avoid taking him seriously when he started posting seriously.  Hopefully he is over that.

I don't have an schtick. Please stop harassing me or I will report you to the moderators.


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Quote from: Berkut on February 26, 2015, 12:26:03 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 26, 2015, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: Jacob on February 26, 2015, 10:28:22 AM
I know plenty of Jews, American ones as well, who find the whole "Judeo-Christian" thing pretty insulting, and who do not think "the facts show that."

Then they probably don't understand that the "Judeo" in Judeo-Christian is a reference to the fact that the "Old Testament" was included in the Bible.  It is not a suggestion that the US is part Jewish and part Christian.  It is reference to the fact that the US is entirely a Christian nation and the Old Testament forms part of Christianity's Holy Book.

:hmm:

But, you didn't know that?
That was the way I always understood it, until some amerijuddens told me it was some form of recognition of jews precense in America's funding.
i was like "what?".
Yeah, I know there was a bunch of jews in America back then, and that Georgia had a Sefaradi governor in 1800, but thats not how I understood the judeo-christian thing.


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Berkut

The term refers to all members of the Judeo-Chritian religions. It means exactly what CC specifically claimed it does NOT mean, in fact.

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grumbler

Quote from: Siege on February 26, 2015, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: grumbler on February 26, 2015, 12:16:13 PM
Glad to see Siege reverting to the genial moron schtick.  It was hard to avoid taking him seriously when he started posting seriously.  Hopefully he is over that.

I don't have an schtick. Please stop harassing me or I will report you to the moderators.
:lol:

Welcome back, schtick.  But remember, part of the schtick is denying that you even know what the word "schtick" means.  Don't go off-script.  :hug:
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