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Started by Eddie Teach, February 20, 2015, 02:23:43 PM

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Are the below works good art?

Ug like the pictures!
2 (6.3%)
Yes, because they make profound political commentary and that's the point of art
3 (9.4%)
Vacillate/temporize/etc
3 (9.4%)
No, they're hideous
20 (62.5%)
Did Jaron draw them?
4 (12.5%)

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Eddie Teach

February 20, 2015, 02:23:43 PM


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Admiral Yi

#1
February 20, 2015, 02:29:12 PM
They're awful.

The Brain

#2
February 20, 2015, 03:02:21 PM
They're fugly. I don't know about good art, good in what sense?
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KRonn

#3
February 20, 2015, 03:21:25 PM
They're political statements, right? So don't have to be beautiful art, but mainly to get the point across that the artist is trying to convey.

Valmy

#4
February 20, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: KRonn on February 20, 2015, 03:21:25 PM
They're political statements, right? So don't have to be beautiful art, but mainly to get the point across that the artist is trying to convey.

That BUSH = HITLER
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Agelastus

#5
February 20, 2015, 04:24:05 PM
Quote from: KRonn on February 20, 2015, 03:21:25 PM
They're political statements, right? So don't have to be beautiful art, but mainly to get the point across that the artist is trying to convey.

For something that claims to be art I would think that mere "message" would be insufficient; if it was solely about "point" then a billboard slogan would have got it across just as well. It would be equally as unsubtle, anyway.

To call these pictures "art" strikes me as being insulting to all the political or satirical artists of the past, be they acknowledged greats or simply determined journeymen. A five year old might not be able to create a picture like this with a specific "message" but he could produce one of equal artistic skill and merit in all other respects.

He's no James Gillray, that's for sure.
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grumbler

#6
February 20, 2015, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: KRonn on February 20, 2015, 03:21:25 PM
They're political statements, right? So don't have to be beautiful art, but mainly to get the point across that the artist is trying to convey.

They don't have to be art at all.  And they are not.  They are ham-handed cartoons.  Something hideously unaesthetic doesn't become art simply because it is trying to make a point.  I'd argue the same point about the crucifix in the jar of urine.
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garbon

#7
February 20, 2015, 04:51:06 PM
Quote from: grumbler on February 20, 2015, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: KRonn on February 20, 2015, 03:21:25 PM
They're political statements, right? So don't have to be beautiful art, but mainly to get the point across that the artist is trying to convey.

They don't have to be art at all.  And they are not.  They are ham-handed cartoons.  Something hideously unaesthetic doesn't become art simply because it is trying to make a point.  I'd argue the same point about the crucifix in the jar of urine.

Agreed, however I never really wanted to dump on monger's acquaintance.
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Norgy

#8
February 20, 2015, 04:54:05 PM
Looks like some early Fireblad LePen work, really.  :hmm:

How much?

Admiral Yi

#9
February 20, 2015, 04:55:21 PM
Was monger's buddy trying to advance the argument that Erdogan was Wubya's lap dog?

Razgovory

#10
February 20, 2015, 04:57:28 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 20, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: KRonn on February 20, 2015, 03:21:25 PM
They're political statements, right? So don't have to be beautiful art, but mainly to get the point across that the artist is trying to convey.

That BUSH = HITLER

I remember when any critisism of the Bush adminstriation could be hand waved off by the that phrase.  It was pretty much Yi's goto phrase.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

#11
February 20, 2015, 04:59:17 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 20, 2015, 04:57:28 PM
I remember when any critisism of the Bush adminstriation could be hand waved off by the that phrase.  It was pretty much Yi's goto phrase.

Was it, I've always associated the phrase with Valmy. Obama = Hitler too.
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Valmy

#12
February 20, 2015, 05:00:47 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 20, 2015, 04:59:17 PM
Was it, I've always associated the phrase with Valmy. Obama = Hitler too.

Any US President that didn't die shortly after taking office = Hitler.  We just have the worst luck.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Admiral Yi

#13
February 20, 2015, 05:00:54 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 20, 2015, 04:57:28 PM
I remember when any critisism of the Bush adminstriation could be hand waved off by the that phrase.  It was pretty much Yi's goto phrase.

Interesting juxtaposition of the passive and active voice Raz.

Razgovory

#14
February 20, 2015, 05:08:45 PM
I'm all all about Juxtaposition. Do you remember posting "OMGBUSHHITLER!!!!", over and over again?  I remember it.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017
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