There were at least 700 more Lynches in the South than previously thought

Started by jimmy olsen, February 10, 2015, 04:37:30 PM

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For the white victims I'm guessing it was just mob justice.  It was just striking to me because you never hear about that except for the Jewish dude who was lynched over the Mary Phagan murder.
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William Lloyd Garrison was nearly lynched.  In Boston.  He survived only because the sheriff intervened physically with some deputies and put Garrison under arrest (for his own protection).
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Count Axel von Fersen (lover of Marie Antoinette) was lynched in Stockholm in 1810. He was white.
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According to this website, there were 4,743 lynchings in the US from 1882-1967, of which 1,297 were white and 3,446 were black.

http://faculty.berea.edu/browners/chesnutt/classroom/lynchings_table_state.html

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The largest single lynching event recorded in the US was of Italian laborers in New Orleans.  And lynchings in the Western states were largely mob justice against white victims.  Of course, this doesn't change the fundamental fact that lynching as a form of organized political violence was overwhelmingly directed against former slaves and their black descendants.

I have a photography book that probably corresponds to the exhibit derspiess saw.  What I find most remarkable is that lynching was not really treated a vile but necessary activity, but something that the participants took pride in and that was perceived as wholesome fun for the whole family in the communities where it took place, even where it involved extreme torture or the mutilation of corpses.  Many of the photos are taken from souvenir postcards of the period that were widely sold where lynchings took place, and then mailed to family and friends across the country; it took the intervention of the Postmaster General (during, IIRC, the T. Roosevelt administration) to drive this market underground, alongside the equally robust trade in the memorabilia of lynching victims' body parts.

Although there was some hand-wringing on the part of New South boosters in big city newspaper editorials, lynchings were largely something that you had to explain *not* participating in if you were a prominent male citizen in the communities where they took place.
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Quote from: Valmy on February 10, 2015, 05:06:11 PM


I guess I don't see how it is like that.  What was the article justifying?

Obviously federal over reach.
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alfred russel

So for a quick estimate of the role racism played in lynchings, lets take modern male incarceration rates applied to historical demographics.

Incarceration rates:
White: 0.678%
Black: 4.347%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Race

During the period in question, the US was roughly:
White: 90%
Black: 10%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States

If race was not a factor, one would expect whites to be lynched in the following percentages (with that data):

(0.678*.9)/(0.678*.9 + 4.347*.1)= 58%

and blacks (by a similar calculation) = 42%.

In fact, whites were just 27% of those lynched, while blacks were 73%.
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Toby Keith and Willie Nelson think there's nothing wrong with lynching bonafied criminals.  :outback:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1JOFhfoAD4
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 10, 2015, 06:17:18 PM
Toby Keith and Willie Nelson think there's nothing wrong with lynching bonafied criminals.  :outback:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1JOFhfoAD4

Save you can never have those three words together, bona fide criminals fine, but a lynching is a singular outrage.

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Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 10, 2015, 06:17:18 PM
Toby Keith and Willie Nelson think there's nothing wrong with lynching bonafied criminals.  :outback:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1JOFhfoAD4

But it's a no-go if they are deboned first, then?
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Yes, I've met many Lynchs in the south. And Smiths, Reeds, Burkharts, and many many others.
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Quote from: Ed Anger on February 10, 2015, 07:12:47 PM
Yes, I've met many Lynchs in the south. And Smiths, Reeds, Burkharts, and many many others.

But no matter how many Lynches you previously thought there were, there were at least 700 more than that.  Even if you previously knew about the 700.
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