The Greens: Humanity's greatest enemy

[Admiral Yi]

They're doing better in the sense their standards of living were raised from intolerable barbarity to slightly less intolerable barbarity.

I asked for an explanation of the relationship between the two ideas, not an elaboration.

Most of the gains from globalization did not go to them, much as most of the gains from globalization in the early 20th century did not accrue to the people at large, either.

That's interesting.  How much of the gains did they get?

I'm really excited to see if this 1)gets passed and 2)works in Switzerland.

Pretty sure they already voted it down.

[Ideologue]

I'm not anti-human, but it's beyond obvious that 700 billion kilograms of biomass that thinks is going to cut deep into the carriage capacity of our shitty planet.

Nah. We'll be fine. Alternately before it's a problem we'll have blown the world up anyway.

Now, now.  The effects of nuclear warfare have been greatly exaggerated by its opponents.

I'm really excited to see if this 1)gets passed and 2)works in Switzerland.  It's clear that this is eventually going to become a huge necessity as the 21st century continues, but the problem is timing.  We're not quite at the point where mass technological unemployment demands it, but we might be rapidly approaching the point where the ongoing automation revolution can, in fact, feed it.

I think Switzerland voted it down. But I agree I think we're nearing the point where it'll become necessary. Until then targeted benefits are the better option, but if automation works then we should have a basic income rather than ever-proliferating bullshit jobs.

I believe the referendum is being held this year.

[garbon]

ever-proliferating bullshit jobs.

Keeps people off the streets.

[Neil]

Everything about Britain is built on predatory capitalism and globalization.  If you want to roll that back, you end up with sheep and subsistence farming.

[mongers]

I think this green party is here to discredit all future 'green' policies.

Me I'd never vote for them, says the granola eating cyclist who's in favour of existing nuclear power, more nuclear power and probably some local fracking too in the short term. 

[The Minsky Moment]

Yeah, if you cherry-picked a lot of things I say (cough JACOB cough), you'd find a lot of departure from the crappy orthodoxy of modern leftism, just because I believe in economic autarky, the death penalty, a surveillance state, soft eugenics, and escalating directly to nuclear combat when threatened.  My Southern accent doesn't help.

Even to someone who doesn't farm cherries for a living, it certainly sounds fascistic, whatever accent is used.

They're absolutely right that in absolute numbers, assuming no revolutionary technological change, global GDP has to be voluntarily reduced by a marked amount, although more accurately the human population has to be reduced by a marked amount, through (one hopes) voluntary dieback.  The alternative is a GDP reduction of around 100%.

Obviously, Communism is vastly superior: the rationally-run command economy would ultimately come to the same conclusion and establish Five Year Plans that would effectively do that, without the hippie bullshit.

Whatever one can say about Communism, it certainly isn't about achieving any of the goals of paragraph 1, which is one of the few merits of the system.

[Ideologue]

Yeah, and that's why Beijing is an unlivable hellhole--even by your New Yorker standards.

[Ideologue]

Anyway, I'm not a fascist.  I'm not even really totalitarian, since I don't advocate for any kind of ideological indoctrination, coerced political orthodoxy, or state interference with speech.  So

[Monoriu]

Yeah, and that's why Beijing is an unlivable hellhole--even by your New Yorker standards.

There are pros and cons.  The air pollution and traffic congestion are regrettable.  But there are good reasons why more than 10 million people live there, many of them expats.  There is money to be made, for starters. 

[Ed Anger]

Anyway, I'm not a fascist.  I'm not even really totalitarian, since I don't advocate for any kind of ideological indoctrination, coerced political orthodoxy, or state interference with speech.  So

I favor rounding up people.

[Ideologue]

A notable omission from my list of things I don't advocate.

[Ed Anger]

A notable omission from my list of things I don't advocate.

I'd spare you Ide. 

[mongers]

Anyway, I'm not a fascist.  I'm not even really totalitarian, since I don't advocate for any kind of ideological indoctrination, coerced political orthodoxy, or state interference with speech.  So

I favor rounding up people.

Doesn't the typical American diet do that already?

[CountDeMoney]

Doesn't the typical American diet do that already?

Pretty funny observation from someone who's superior cardiovascular health is going to come in real handy when he becomes some lorry's hood ornament at 40kph. 
FOUR WHEELS GOOD TWO WHEELS BAD

[mongers]

Doesn't the typical American diet do that already?

Pretty funny observation from someone who's superior cardiovascular health is going to come in real handy when he becomes some lorry's hood ornament at 40kph. 
FOUR WHEELS GOOD TWO WHEELS BAD

Good night CdM, don't every get out of the right side of the bed.