11 dead in French satirical magazine shooting

[Duque de Bragança]

Images of a seemingly shocked female hostage who managed to escape in Porte de Vincennes are now shown on French TV.

[Agelastus]

Shall we guess it's all sweetness and light, cherry tree blossom, singing folk songs with their teachers, until they leave school and experience the soul destroying experience of having to be an adult?

Sounds like an anime.

I wouldn't mind watching that: leading terrorists as competitive schoolgirls

Have you been reading this, perchance...

http://www.mangahere.co/manga/mission_school/

[mongers]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30739509

France eyewitness: 'I shook hands with shooting suspect'

2 hours ago

A salesman, known only as Didier, has told French radio that he shook hands with one of two men holding a hostage in northern France.

The men, suspected of killing 12 people at the offices of Charlie Hebdo on Wednesday, are in a printing business surrounded by police.

Didier claims he was there for a business meeting and mistook a man dressed in a black uniform for a member of the French security services.

The gunman apparently told him: "Go away as we do not kill civilians."

He was speaking on the French public radio station France Info.

[Duque de Bragança]

France 24 report:

In a bizarre twist, an article, posted below, reports a meeting between Amedi (sic) Couliby and former president Nicolas Sarkozy in 2009. Couliby, suspected to be the gunman in the second hostage situation, was one of several young people invited to meet the president. At the time, he expressed excitement and said he would be getting autographs for his nine sisters. He joked he would like the president to get him a job.

[mongers]

Images of a seemingly shocked female hostage who managed to escape in Porte de Vincennes are now shown on French TV.

I guess I should see if there are live web feeds for the French channels.

France 24 TV English feed here:
http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed/

[Duque de Bragança]

France 24 again

Kosher supermarket gunman threatens to kill hostages if police storm the Kouachi brothers currently holding one hostage in a town north of Paris (AP)

[Agelastus]

I like to think I make a principled stand against bigotry.  If blacks are the one's attacked, then I defend the blacks.  If the Muslims are attacked, then I defend the Muslims.  When the gays are attacked, I defend the gays.  When it's people who are religious, then I defend them.  This concept seems to confuse a lot of people here.  The idea that I would defend a hated minority is simply "crazy", "trolling", or "contrarian".

So, since almost any group can be a "hated minority" (even whites, for example) you defend everybody in the world regardless of the right or wrong of the situation? You don't consider the facts or issues of the case, you just jump to the defence of the "attacked" party automatically?

That's not "trolling" or "contrarian" but it could very well be "crazy".

I think a phrase along the lines of "he who defends everybody convinces nobody" might be appropriate here.

[Martinus]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the French special forces. Hopefully they will find a way not to end this crisis Russian style while not letting the fuckers get away.

[Legbiter]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the French special forces. Hopefully they will find a way not to end this crisis Russian style while not letting the fuckers get away.

The GIGN are competent. Below is a clip of them retaking a hijacked Air France flight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7a5D3sMJKM

[Martinus]

Damn, because of BB, I now started to misread the thread title too.

That's one of the deficiencies of English - the "adjective chains" can be confusing in situations like this. For example that wouldn't be an issue in Polish as depending on the meaning of the sentence, the syntax would be different.

[jimmy olsen]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/jan/09/charlie-hebdo-manhunt-kouachi-terrorist-links-live-updates#block-54afc94de4b083a8830fd7d2

Sky news are currently showing footage of gunshots and explosions at Dammartin-en-Goele

[Duque de Bragança]

On TV, Smoke grenade use in Dammartin and fire weapon flashes. Assault has started.

[Martinus]

On TV, Smoke grenade use in Dammartin and fire weapon flashes. Assault has started.

I know it is earlier in the thread, but is Dammartin the kosher supermarket location or the Charlie Hebdo's shooters' hideout?

[Grey Fox]

I think I've never watched TV5 for so long continously.

[Liep]

On TV, Smoke grenade use in Dammartin and fire weapon flashes. Assault has started.

I know it is earlier in the thread, but is Dammartin the kosher supermarket location or the Charlie Hebdo's shooters' hideout?

CH shooters.