The Tragedy of the American Military

[The Brain]

People who really don't want to be in the military can be shaped into formidable fighting soldiers. IF they actually get into uniform.

There is no way you can make a formidable fighting soldier out of me.

Not because you don't want to be a soldier.

[Ideologue]

People who really don't want to be in the military can be shaped into formidable fighting soldiers. IF they actually get into uniform.

There is no way you can make a formidable fighting soldier out of me.

As I understand PLA doctrine, your job would be to absorb one or more bullets, till such time as the United Nations forces run out of bullets.  You could do that.

[Josquius]

Don't hate draft dodgers, hate the fucked up system that tried to unfairly steal their freedom.
I can understand why many went along with things and didn't try to dodge, but, even though they were the majority, they are the anomaly.

[Richard Hakluyt]

People who really don't want to be in the military can be shaped into formidable fighting soldiers. IF they actually get into uniform.

There is no way you can make a formidable fighting soldier out of me.

How about we use you to operate a lethal drone and give you share options for each jihadist killed?

[Monoriu]

People who really don't want to be in the military can be shaped into formidable fighting soldiers. IF they actually get into uniform.

There is no way you can make a formidable fighting soldier out of me.

How about we use you to operate a lethal drone and give you share options for each jihadist killed?

For the first time in my life, becoming a soldier seems an attractive proposition 

[Ideologue]

Don't hate draft dodgers, hate the fucked up system that tried to unfairly steal their freedom.
I can understand why many went along with things and didn't try to dodge, but, even though they were the majority, they are the anomaly.

Josq says: vote Mosley.

Edit: Well, I guess you guys did have World War I.  How does living in an irredeemably-declined global power feel?  No, seriously, I need to know what to be prepared for.

[The Brain]

What's unfair about meeting people from a different culture and killing them?

[Josquius]

Don't hate draft dodgers, hate the fucked up system that tried to unfairly steal their freedom.
I can understand why many went along with things and didn't try to dodge, but, even though they were the majority, they are the anomaly.

Josq says: vote Mosley.

Edit: Well, I guess you guys did have World War I.  How does living in an irredeemably-declined global power feel?  No, seriously, I need to know what to be prepared for.

?????
What does being against conscription have to do with being fascist? The opposite surely ?

Britain hasn't declined (well.... Maybe a bit what with the 80s...), the rest of the world here merely rose

[The Brain]

The guys who don't volunteer for military service are the guys who need it the most. Order and discipline is a good antidote to hippieism.

[Ideologue]

The question posed is "Should Britons have had the freedom not to spend a few years fighting the Nazis when they threatened to enslave the continent forever?"

[Syt]

Shouldn't all young men be ready to slaughter foreigners or enemies within and to lay down their own lives if their country's elders tell them to?

[Josquius]

The question posed is "Should Britons have had the freedom not to spend a few years fighting the Nazis when they threatened to enslave the continent forever?"

Ideally yes. If a war is really so critical then there should be enough volunteers.
In practice a moral war against an evil enemy that is directly attacking your country is a bit more important and valid a cause than going to the other side of the world to help one nasty little regime to murder it's citizens because they might possibly like another nasty little regime instead.

[The Brain]

A citizen accepts personal responsibility for the safety of the body politic, defending it with his life. A civilian does not.

[Monoriu]

A citizen accepts personal responsibility for the safety of the body politic, defending it with his life. A civilian does not.

I am: civilian 

[mongers]

Don't hate draft dodgers, hate the fucked up system that tried to unfairly steal their freedom.
I can understand why many went along with things and didn't try to dodge, but, even though they were the majority, they are the anomaly.

Josq says: vote Mosley.

Edit: Well, I guess you guys did have World War I.  How does living in an irredeemably-declined global power feel?  No, seriously, I need to know what to be prepared for.

It feels good; the Empire really was a very silly thing, redeemed by the final use it was put to.