Teen shot in my Aunt's back Yard: More St. Louis white cop/black teen.

Started by Razgovory, December 24, 2014, 09:40:09 PM

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Razgovory

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/24/justice/missouri-officer-involved-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

This one is kind of neat.  This shooting took place in Berkeley, where my Dad was born and grew up.  The shop where the shooting took place butts up against my the house where my Aunt Pat used to live (she's died a while back).

Quote(CNN) -- A Missouri police officer shoots and kills a teenager just two miles from the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, where another young man's death months earlier set off protests across the country.

But even though both cases involved white officers and black teens, don't compare Tuesday night's shooting in Berkeley to what happened in the town down the road, Berkeley's mayor says.

Surveillance video appears to show a person -- identified by police and his family as Antonio Martin, 18 -- pointing a gun at an officer in a gas station parking lot in Berkeley right before the officer fatally shot the teen, Berkeley Mayor Theodore Hoskins told reporters Wednesday.

St. Louis County Police released on YouTube videos from three different angles that captured parts of the scene.

The shooting led to a tense couple of hours at the station, where scuffles with police broke out -- and what appeared to be lit fireworks were thrown -- as scores of people gathered to see what happened in an area still emotional over the August 9 shooting of Michael Brown.

But Hoskins, who is black, said that this shooting cannot be likened to Brown's death, in part because unlike the Ferguson case, this one was captured on video and allegedly involves an armed teen.

"We reviewed the video and it appears that there was a gun pointed at the officer before the officer fired," Hoskins said. "(It) does not appear ... that the police officer initiated."

Hoskins promised a thorough investigation.

"I will not tolerate brutality of any policeman on our citizens," Hoskins told CNN. He added that people can "rest assured that I will investigate this independently and make a complete report to the community."

Gov. Jay Nixon issued a brief statement saying, "The events in Berkeley are a reminder that law enforcement officers have a difficult, and often dangerous, job in protecting themselves and law-abiding citizens."

County Police Chief Jon Belmar said the shooting was tragic, but stressed the teen pointed a gun "straight out" at the officer, who fired in self-defense.

"I understand the emotions ... but I think we need to understand the context of what happens ... with these types of situations," Belmar, whose department is investigating the shooting, told reporters.

Police: Officer was investigating alleged theft

Belmar said the officer, a 34-year-old, six-year Berkeley police veteran, was responding to a report of a theft when he pulled into the parking lot of a Mobil gas station in Berkeley about 11:15 p.m.

He left his cruiser and talked to two men in the lot. Eventually, as the officer stood by the driver's side tire of his cruiser, one of the men backed away from the cruiser's passenger side headlight, then stepped forward again pointing a gun at the officer, Belmar said.

The officer, whom police did not name, lost balance and fell as he moved back in reaction, but managed to fire what investigators believe were three shots, hitting the gunman at least once, Belmar said.

The slain teen is not believed to have fired his weapon, a loaded 9mm handgun that police recovered at the scene, Belmar said.

Surveillance video, but body camera wasn't worn

Police released gas station surveillance video of the incident. Recorded from a distance, the video shows three small figures in the upper-left portion of the screen. A figure can be seen backing away from the squad car, and then walking back with an arm raised at the officer.

Because of the distance, details are difficult to make out.

The released clip ends before the shooting. Belmar said he didn't know whether the two men the officer approached had anything to do with the theft report.

The second man fled; Belmar said police want to interview him.

The officer was given a body camera before he left for patrol, but he wasn't wearing it during the shooting, possibly because he was distracted when a supervisor gave it to him earlier Tuesday, Belmar said.

Hoskins said this didn't bother him, in part because the city, with three cameras for its 31 officers, had just started training officers to use them.

The cruiser's dashboard camera also wasn't recording, because the car's emergency lights hadn't been activated, Belmar said. The officer will be placed on administrative leave until the investigation is completed.

Martin's father, Jerome Green, said his son had indicated he was going out to meet his girlfriend and had not mentioned any other person who might be with them.

"He was supposed to come home," Green said. "We're getting ready for the holiday; everyone wanted to see him. My grandmother hadn't seen him for a while."

Martin's mother, Toni Martin, also told CNN affiliate KMOV that her son turned 18 in September. He had been expelled from school but was trying to get his life back together, she said, and she was encouraging him to join Job Corps.

Video posted to Vimeo showed Toni Martin crying in the arms of other people.

Green said Martin lived with his parents, brother and sister.

Protest, scuffle

Protesters late Tuesday and early Wednesday gathered around an ethnically diverse group of dozens of police officers, who stood between them and the scene. People in the crowd screamed at police. Others spoke more calmly.

What looked like a firework exploded near a gas pump, scattering people and temporarily filling the area with thick, white smoke, video from CNN affiliate KMOV showed.

Four people were arrested on suspicion of assaulting officers, Belmar said. One police officer was sent to an emergency room after injuring himself while trying to get away from the firework, Belmar said.

Another officer was treated at a hospital after being hit in the head with a rock or a brick, Belmar said.

St. Louis Post-Dispatch photographer David Carson said some of the protesters damaged police cars. CNN showed images of one squad car with a large dent in its side.

KMOV video showed a white plume rising at another location down the street. Belmar said someone had tried to set a fire at a nearby store, but someone extinguished it.

Before sunup, protesters thinned out, and those remaining stood calmly behind police tape.

Tuesday's incident came about a month after a St. Louis County grand jury declined to indict Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson for fatally shooting Michael Brown on August 9.

Authorities said Brown, who was black, wasn't armed at the time, but that he tried to take Wilson's gun while the officer was in his vehicle during an encounter in Ferguson. Some witness accounts said Wilson left his car and eventually fired while Brown, 18, had his hands up in surrender, but others disputed this. Police said Wilson fired in self-defense as Brown charged him.

Berkeley is a city of about 8,000 people flanked by St. Louis International Airport to the west and Ferguson to the east.
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Oh, so he was resisting wearing his body camera and his dash cam wasn't on, either?  Well, then, Tim and Jake ought to be just thrilled.  Fascism averted.
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Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

11B4V

"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

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Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Ideologue on December 24, 2014, 09:47:10 PM
Oh, so he was resisting wearing his body camera and his dash cam wasn't on, either?  Well, then, Tim and Jake ought to be just thrilled.  Fascism averted.
:huh: I've argued strenuously infavor of cops being required to wear cameras
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11B4V

Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 25, 2014, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on December 24, 2014, 09:47:10 PM
Oh, so he was resisting wearing his body camera and his dash cam wasn't on, either?  Well, then, Tim and Jake ought to be just thrilled.  Fascism averted.
:huh: I've argued strenuously infavor of cops being required to wear cameras

Was helpful this time too.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

DGuller

Quote from: 11B4V on December 25, 2014, 09:09:06 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 25, 2014, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on December 24, 2014, 09:47:10 PM
Oh, so he was resisting wearing his body camera and his dash cam wasn't on, either?  Well, then, Tim and Jake ought to be just thrilled.  Fascism averted.
:huh: I've argued strenuously infavor of cops being required to wear cameras

Was helpful this time too.
They're very finnicky.  They need to be turned on to work.

The Brain

Quote from: DGuller on December 25, 2014, 10:49:47 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 25, 2014, 09:09:06 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 25, 2014, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on December 24, 2014, 09:47:10 PM
Oh, so he was resisting wearing his body camera and his dash cam wasn't on, either?  Well, then, Tim and Jake ought to be just thrilled.  Fascism averted.
:huh: I've argued strenuously infavor of cops being required to wear cameras

Was helpful this time too.
They're very finnicky.  They need to be turned on to work.

Unlike women. :)
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