Poland to list all WW2 victimes on the internet

[Faeelin]

Anyway, the site lists Jewish and Roma historical organisations as participants in the project, so yeah non-ethnic-Poles are also included obviously.

I know it's not intentional, but the phrasing "It will include all non-ethnic Poles" sums up why Interwar Poland was so fucked up.

[Martinus]

Anyway, the site lists Jewish and Roma historical organisations as participants in the project, so yeah non-ethnic-Poles are also included obviously.

I know it's not intentional, but the phrasing "It will include all non-ethnic Poles" sums up why Interwar Poland was so fucked up.

I think you have a skewed perspective, as an American. Many Europeans even today view nationality and ethnicity in that way. America is an exception - certainly Poland wasn't one in 1939.

[Berkut]

What about the Jews exterminated by the Poles?

That was after the war so doesn't count. 

They killed even more Jews AFTER the war?

Wow. Where did they find more Jews to kill?

[jimmy olsen]

What about the Jews exterminated by the Poles?

That was after the war so doesn't count. 

They killed even more Jews AFTER the war?

Wow. Where did they find more Jews to kill?

The survivors returned and found themselves unwelcome.

[Martinus]

What about the Jews exterminated by the Poles?

That was after the war so doesn't count. 

They killed even more Jews AFTER the war?

Wow. Where did they find more Jews to kill?

I'd say (but I don't have hard data on this), it was not "even" but "mainly" - I guess during the war, it was not necessary as Germans were doing it.

With Jews, this was the combination of resentment for the survivors returning to claim back their houses etc. (which were by the time settled by ethnic Poles) and the perception that Jews sided with communists (although I think this was more of an excuse). Of course centuries of antisemitic propaganda from the Catholic church helped a lot.

Guys, when I tell you about Polish Catholics, I know what I'm talking about. Many of Jews (and also Orthodox Ukrainians - the fact that Eastern Catholic Ukrainians were largely left alone implies a religious/cultural more than an ethnic/racist motive, btw) were slaughtered with an active participation (or at least no condemnation) from the Church hierarchy. Taking a cue from American and English catholics as to what true Catholicism looks like is like judging Communism by the deeds of the French Communist Party. If you want to see the real European Catholicism look at Poland (pogroms), Ireland (terrorism), Italy (mafia) and Spain (fascism).

[Ed Anger]

Wow. Where did they find more Jews to kill?

They tended to be concentrated in small areas.

[viper37]

I'm not sure Marty will do anything.

It's not about Gay America.

true, but there were probably a couple of gay Poles sent to the camps, don't you think?

[Martinus]

I'm not sure Marty will do anything.

It's not about Gay America.

true, but there were probably a couple of gay Poles sent to the camps, don't you think?

Actually, I'd imagine probably not that many. Unlike in Germany, in Poland the nazis focused on Jews and the Roma. I know of several famous Polish gays who lived through the WW2 in conditions that were no different from heteros (meagre as they may have been).

[Alcibiades]

Quite an ambitious project waste of taxpayers' money.

There, I fixed your post for you.

See, doesn't involve enough gays. 

[Neil]

Will it include Jewish victims?

It said Polish victims, not victims of Poland.

[Faeelin]

I think you have a skewed perspective, as an American. Many Europeans even today view nationality and ethnicity in that way. America is an exception - certainly Poland wasn't one in 1939.

Heh, a joke for you all from the Lodz ghetto.

A woman wakes up and turns to her husband. "I just had the most wonderful dream! I was walking outside, and the walls were plastered with "Beat the Jews!" and "End ritual slaughter!"

"What was so wonderful about that?"

"Don't you see? It meant the Poles were back in charge!"

[Sheilbh]

Taking a cue from American and English catholics as to what true Catholicism looks like is like judging Communism by the deeds of the French Communist Party.

Spanish or Italian Communist Parties would be a better fit.  The French Communist Party was probably the most conservative and Soviet in Europe.

[Razgovory]

Taking a cue from American and English catholics as to what true Catholicism looks like is like judging Communism by the deeds of the French Communist Party.

Spanish or Italian Communist Parties would be a better fit.  The French Communist Party was probably the most conservative and Soviet in Europe.

Everyone found the Spanish catholics weird.  The fact is that the reasons behind the Polish killings of Jews have little to do with religion an all to do with the fact Poles don't like Jews.  They did the same stuff Gypsies.

[Martinus]

Taking a cue from American and English catholics as to what true Catholicism looks like is like judging Communism by the deeds of the French Communist Party.

Spanish or Italian Communist Parties would be a better fit.  The French Communist Party was probably the most conservative and Soviet in Europe.

Everyone found the Spanish catholics weird.  The fact is that the reasons behind the Polish killings of Jews have little to do with religion an all to do with the fact Poles don't like Jews.  They did the same stuff Gypsies.

Read "Fear" by Jan T. Gross about the role the catholic church played in the pogroms. Why do you think Poles didn't like Jews?

[Jaron]

Because they have massive inferiority complexes?