Rolling Stone Fucks Up Big Time on Massive Rape Article

[CountDeMoney]

That being said, UVA is full of entitled douchebags, and all fucking frats should fucking hang. 

Got blackballed at Towson eh?

Meh, UVA thinks it's Ivy League, and it's surrounded by that same sense of patriarchal entitlement, only southern fried.
The fact that frats are involved is just more gravy.

[Martinus]

Between this and #gamergate it seems to me that the biggest "stories" involve journalists writing about journalists. What a narcissistic bunch of losers.

[Martinus]

as a sexual violence awareness specialist

When you need this at a university, you have to many entitled frat boys.

I would think this is an euphemistic way of describing CdM and Ide.

[Ideologue]

I don't get it.

[Martinus]

Wrongful accusations would never occur in the transparency society. Just saying.

Not sure which would be worse - having other people watch me having sex, or me watching other people having sex.

[Martinus]

I don't get it.

That you watch a lot of kinky porn.

[Ideologue]

I don't get it.

That you watch a lot of kinky porn.

The correct response was "Yes you do," and I say "Not often enough. "

Not sure which would be worse - having other people watch me having sex, or me watching other people having sex.

It's not how it works.  It all just goes into a hard drive.  In the event of a complaint, investigators as well as lawyers for the state and the defendant and the judge would have access to the requested files.

People watch too many movies, all of which embrace unrealistic elements so they can depict interesting imagery, and many of which are propagandistic in nature.  They think it's going to be an army of hundreds of thousands of voyeurs--yeah, right.  Like there'll ever be jobs in this country again.

[Legbiter]

Didn't these idiots learn anything after that Duke lacrosse rape hoax?

[derspiess]

patriarchal entitlement,

[derspiess]

Didn't these idiots learn anything after that Duke lacrosse rape hoax?

No.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Was listening to the news on the radio on the way home and heard about this. The NPR journalist they were interviewing said that the problem is the agreement Ederly made, to basically take "Jackie"'s narrative at face value and not check with the other person the narrative is about essentially is intentionally getting one side of a story and goes against "everything we learn in journalism school and all the real standards of journalism." His opinion was if your source only was willing to talk to you or be part of the piece on that stipulation, you should have simply not used her as the central narrative work of the piece. He felt the piece still highlights a lot of serious problems at UVA (and UVA is under like Federal scrutiny from ages ago because of its poor handling of fraternity rapes, regardless of the veracity of this instance), but that Ederly destroyed any chance for the article to have value by doing sloppy journalism on the center piece emotional hook of the article.

[Scipio]

Between this and #gamergate it seems to me that the biggest "stories" involve journalists writing about journalists. What a narcissistic bunch of losers.

That's a qualified expert opinion right there, folks!

[CountDeMoney]

patriarchal entitlement,

You're a Delaware grad.  A UVA grad wouldn't let you park his car.

[Martinus]

Was listening to the news on the radio on the way home and heard about this. The NPR journalist they were interviewing said that the problem is the agreement Ederly made, to basically take "Jackie"'s narrative at face value and not check with the other person the narrative is about essentially is intentionally getting one side of a story and goes against "everything we learn in journalism school and all the real standards of journalism." His opinion was if your source only was willing to talk to you or be part of the piece on that stipulation, you should have simply not used her as the central narrative work of the piece. He felt the piece still highlights a lot of serious problems at UVA (and UVA is under like Federal scrutiny from ages ago because of its poor handling of fraternity rapes, regardless of the veracity of this instance), but that Ederly destroyed any chance for the article to have value by doing sloppy journalism on the center piece emotional hook of the article.

So, it's the same situation as with the Ferguson shooting - i.e. there is a systemic problem but this particular case is not the best poster case for it.

Yet you have idiots on one side who say there is no problem. And idiots on the other side who want to make this a poster case for the problem.

[Legbiter]

The Economist has published a quality, balanced article debunking the college rape hysteria. It takes to task both the UVA tall tale, bogus statistics as well as the amateur hour that is the universities' internal adjudication processes and responses to sexual assault claims.

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21635500-folly-letting-amateurs-handle-serious-crimes-professors-judges

Rape and sexual assault in America have declined sharply since the mid-1990s, to 1.1 per 1,000 women per year (see chart). And students are no more likely to be assaulted than non-students of the same age, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (though its numbers are somewhat out of date). Yet activists insist that American campuses—and especially fraternities—nurture a "rape culture".

They often cite an estimate that one woman in five will be sexually assaulted during her time in college, which comes from a report prepared for the Justice Department in 2007. Sceptics doubt this estimate, noting that it was based on a small sample (an online survey of two universities) and used a broad definition of sexual assault, which included everything from rape to any kind of "unwanted sexual contact", as well as any encounter where one party was too intoxicated by alcohol or drugs to give informed consent.

Students on both sides of the fence have complained that these amateur tribunals are inept. A lawsuit this year alleged that Columbia University unfairly allowed perpetrators to remain on campus. Meanwhile male students at Vassar, Duke, and the University of Michigan have sued their schools, claiming that campus committees found them guilty of sexual misconduct when they were innocent. At Harvard 28 law professors recently criticised the university's new sexual-assault procedures as lacking "the most basic elements of fairness and due process".