What are the primary reasons for black males being killed by cops in the US?

Started by Martinus, December 04, 2014, 11:05:27 AM

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In your opinion, what is the primary reason for statistical prevalence of black males being killed by cops in the US?

Black males are more likely to commit crimes or act irresponsibly than males of other ethnic groups
19 (65.5%)
There is no statistical prevalence in reality - the media just report about deaths of black males more than about deaths of other people killed by cops
4 (13.8%)
There is a bias among police force against black males, resulting in unequal treatment / perception of threat
17 (58.6%)
Other (Describe)
6 (20.7%)

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Valmy

#15
December 04, 2014, 11:57:37 AM Last Edit: December 04, 2014, 12:00:50 PM by Valmy
The total number is so statistically small that it is hard to say.

I would say it is primarily a result of the adversarial relationship between the police and blacks that occasionally escalate.  Combine this with the machismo of some lower class communities in this country you get trouble.

I mean when even establishment types like Henry Louis Gates Jr and garbon complain about the police you know there is some sort of profiling going on.  I also think police equipment, training. and recruitment have a lot to do with it as well.

It is obviously a problem so I hope authorities realize how socially destabilizing it is to have this adversarial relationship and work hard to build trust in the police.  Society cannot really function without it, if the cops continue to foster a reputation for racism and unaccountable violence on US citizens...well it cannot be good.  No matter how much the Spicey's of the world continue to make excuses and bury their heads in the sand about it.

So I guess I vote one and three.
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December 04, 2014, 12:04:53 PM
Solution: midnight basketball more beer summits.
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grumbler

#17
December 04, 2014, 12:12:42 PM
I think it is for about three clear reasons, none of which are reflected in the Polish assessment of US society on the topic.

If someone wants to start a serious conversation on the topic, I'd be glad to participate.
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Martinus

#18
December 04, 2014, 12:13:43 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 04, 2014, 12:12:42 PM
I think it is for about three clear reasons, none of which are reflected in the Polish assessment of US society on the topic.

If someone wants to start a serious conversation on the topic, I'd be glad to participate.

Care to enlighten us?

Josquius

#19
December 04, 2014, 12:15:41 PM
A bit of 1 though that leads to 3.
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Razgovory

#20
December 04, 2014, 01:23:02 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 04, 2014, 12:12:42 PM
I think it is for about three clear reasons, none of which are reflected in the Polish assessment of US society on the topic.

If someone wants to start a serious conversation on the topic, I'd be glad to participate.

What if I was the one to start the serious topic?
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11B4V

#21
December 04, 2014, 01:25:12 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 04, 2014, 11:10:01 AM
Blacks are not very good at obeying police commands.

Perhaps ebonics would help.
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#22
December 04, 2014, 01:31:46 PM
QuoteWhat are the primary reasons for black males being killed by cops in the US?

Maybe,

Breakdown of the family unit
Glorification of stereotype lifestyles
Vicious cycle of hopelessness to better their individual station in life
 
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

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#23
December 04, 2014, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 04, 2014, 01:31:46 PM
QuoteWhat are the primary reasons for black males being killed by cops in the US?

Maybe,

Breakdown of the family unit
Glorification of stereotype lifestyles
Vicious cycle of hopelessness to better their individual station in life


We are talking about Blacks, not red neck gun nuts.
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CountDeMoney

#24
December 04, 2014, 01:34:19 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 04, 2014, 12:12:42 PM
I think it is for about three clear reasons, none of which are reflected in the Polish assessment of US society on the topic.

If someone wants to start a serious conversation on the topic, I'd be glad to participate.

I figured it was going to wait until page 3 or 4 before Martinus came out with the original intent of this thread, which would be about him/his lifestyle/his career.  :P

Ideologue

#25
December 04, 2014, 01:36:08 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 04, 2014, 01:31:46 PM
QuoteWhat are the primary reasons for black males being killed by cops in the US?

Maybe,

Breakdown of the family unit
Glorification of stereotype lifestyles
Vicious cycle of hopelessness to better their individual station in life


I dunno. I haven't been shot yet.
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viper37

#26
December 04, 2014, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 04, 2014, 11:05:27 AM
Read the question on the poll carefully as it could not fit in the thread title in its entirety.

You can choose more than one option if you believe this is a combination of several causes, and you are unable to identify one primary cause.
A little bit of the 3 first.

Black people feel ostracized, so when confronted by a cop, especially if they feel they have done nothing wrong, they are more likely to react agressively than white citizens.
Cops are used to young black people being armed, because of street gangs, and in the event of anything suspect they shoot first ask questions later, given that firearmes are freely available anywhere in the US.
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#27
December 04, 2014, 01:52:31 PM
Quote from: viper37 on December 04, 2014, 01:42:39 PM
given that firearmes are freely available anywhere in the US.

They are?
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#28
December 04, 2014, 01:55:36 PM
Quote from: derspiess on December 04, 2014, 01:52:31 PM
Quote from: viper37 on December 04, 2014, 01:42:39 PM
given that firearmes are freely available anywhere in the US.

They are?

They are not? You need to tell that to your police officers.
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derspiess

#29
December 04, 2014, 01:56:49 PM
Okay, I'll relay that to them.
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