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Started by crazy canuck, November 21, 2014, 02:46:03 PM

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Ideologue

Quote from: sbr on November 24, 2014, 02:28:30 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 24, 2014, 01:55:16 PM
Another thing I meant to mention a while back is that the ED isn't thought to be porn.induced as masturbation induced. (Researchers do differ somewhat.) Obviously if you're jerking.off 3 times a day, if you try to bang that night, problems may arise. Also, you train yourself to respond to an impossible, immediate-feedback handjob rather than the very different sensations provided by a (presumambly) non-telepathic partner. Making matters worse, many women are bad at sex, OR, more accurately, it often takes a practice round or two before sex is good with any given partner. Sadly, a lot.of folks don't understand that.

Oh, and there's also the purely.physiological keratinization of penile skin. But if circumcision is ok, I don't see the.objection to the lesser issue of jerking off a lot.

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What the hell is going on with your .  key?  You need to get that fixed.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Ideologue on November 24, 2014, 02:29:12 PM
The OP article is shit.journalism, tho. I guess it's an opinion piece, but let's face it: most people that hate any genre of film usually have a shallow understanding of it.

However, you'll note that I never say things like New Hollywood caused the AIDS epidemic, because I recognize my distaste has caused a blind spot.

Ide. have you been. using a vice. grip while posting the last. little. while.

Ideologue

If I used my work terminal to.post, what would I be watching porn on?
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Ideologue

On this screen? No one respects the cinema.:(
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Berkut

Quote from: Malthus on November 24, 2014, 02:05:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 24, 2014, 01:54:59 PM
Well then maybe we should be more open about providing sex positive education to our kids / ending slut shaming. Btw, what you've described are issues that can and have impacted human sexual relations throughout time.  Do porno vids actually make that worse?

I agree more sex positive education would be a good thing, though I wonder if our society is really ready for significant 'how to' education - considering how serious the hang-ups over sex are, particularly where teens are involved.  :D

I do think porn has the potential to make existing problems worse. Take for example the apparently common hetero male hang-up over penis size. If you already worried about that, you would worry about it a lot more if every naked guy you actually saw hard (that is, in porn - where else would a hetero guy see other guys with hard-ons?) sported a 12 inch schlong, right?   

Good point, I am glad I know that my own 9 inch schlong is not at all abnormal, despite what I see in pornos! Whew!
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Quote from: Malthus on November 24, 2014, 01:20:52 PM
(1) The aforementioned lack of foreplay is the most serious;

I courteously disagree.  As someone who enjoys a wide variety of F/F cinema, I can attest that there is a tremendous amount of the use of foreplay as a bona fide storytelling and sex act device, one that is an important aspect of the overall love-making paradigm. 
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Ideologue

Quote from: Ideologue on November 21, 2014, 11:30:15 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 21, 2014, 11:16:44 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 21, 2014, 09:11:43 PMBut unless you haven't looked into it--and there's no reason for you to have, I guess--the vast, vast majority of porn is regular old sex jazzed up with a cinematic presentation.  Or at least the same kind of sex I've had with pretty much every partner I've ever had.  (Only one had an objection to facials, but did swallow.)

I think your liking of facials are a good indication of how porn has influenced sex, since they're pretty much the definition of an porn-like act performed for the camera. That you have developed such an attachment to that act is, I'd wager, down to your consumption of porn.

Now, I'm not saying it's particularly unhealthy, but it's a good illustration of how that influences how people approach sex.

I don't think that it's beyond the pale to assume that other acts and the general attitudes shown in porn also influences attitudes, especially in young people (and I believe a few people in this thread have said studies support that assumption).

Also, I think your assertion that most porn is "just two people fucking" is a little blithe - you've got all kinds of racial fetishization, all kinds of dominance and submission, all kinds of humiliation porn, all kinds of class and race conflicts, hints at inappropriate ages etc etc.

It's not that any given one of those types of porn are inherently "bad" - what consenting adults get off to is their business, as are their fantasies - but the aggregate of all this stuff nonetheless creates the illusion that there are all these hot chicks out there just gagging for your cock exactly the way that gets you off.

I wouldn't be surprised if the rise of the MRA, incels, red pill, PUA and other assorted masculinist losers is at least partially down to the prevalence of porn - their view of women and sex seems pretty consistent with the way they're depicted in porn these days at least.

Jake, I think these are all or mostly all good points, and would like to discuss them further.  Don't think I have time right now.

OK, Jake, so if I understand you correctly, are you saying that porn functions in some way like advertising, creating demand for hot sexually available women where none existed before?  I think this is not very likely.  I will accept the narrower possibility that it has generated higher interest in non-conventional ( :rolleyes: ) sexual practices like facials and anal.  Though I still suspect strongly that facials are as old as oral sex, which is certainly as old as bathing, if not older than that.

If all you mean is that porn is a double-edged sword that makes the reality of sex seem less enticing, and can in some ways cause psychic harm (in a "where's my 110 lb. pneumatic blonde?" sort of way), I may concede the point, but I've found simply being alive in the world does that and far more fiercely than motion picture fictions have ever done.  The multifactorial development of an anti-feminist/masculinist/sad person camp is correlated with the rise of porn... but as a causal factor?  I doubt it.  I think the shared causal factor is the Internet.

Regarding your specific issues with "regular old fucking," I concede there is a definite tilt toward ephebophilic tastes, which I do not find definitionally inappropriate (we could have a whole discussion about whether 32 year olds "should" find 18 year olds attractive), but can verge into weird areas.  Regarding racial fetishization, the biggest example is black dicks/white chicks stuff, which I don't bother with because I'm Caucasian (even if that is, bizarrely, the target audience), but obviously the stuff exists and can be problematic.  As for the "Asian" or "Latina" or "Arab" or whatever labels on porn, the most "problematic" thing is that American porn doesn't feel the need to label anything "white," which is merely a function of our racial makeup (one day, that might change).  That is simply a categorization tool to help people find the phenotype they're looking for--it is no more definitionally insidious than blonde/brunette/redhead distinctions (which in fact do somewhat function as a "white" category).

DS stuff?  DS is a wide spectrum.  Usually one party or the other is "directing" the action, if invisibly so.  So you'd have to be more specific.

Class/exploitation and humilitation stuff exists, can't argue with that.
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