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Started by crazy canuck, November 21, 2014, 02:46:03 PM

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Ideologue

Quote from: crazy canuck on November 21, 2014, 04:44:38 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 21, 2014, 02:59:40 PM
CC how have you dealt with this with your boys? Don't ask, don't tell? Some sort of serious talk?

It is something I dealt with directly.  I did not want them thinking that porn is normative.  The problem is I think that a lot of people are beginning to think it is.

It is, depending on what yoy mean. The content is normative, by and large (adjusting for "pro" porns unrealistic blocking). The hyperrealism of porn resides mostly in its attributes as a movie, namely editing.
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Jacob

Quote from: Ideologue on November 21, 2014, 06:40:56 PMIt is, depending on what yoy mean. The content is normative, by and large (adjusting for "pro" porns unrealistic blocking). The hyperrealism of porn resides mostly in its attributes as a movie, namely editing.

I understood what CC meant, but I'm not sure what you mean?

Jacob

Quote from: crazy canuck on November 21, 2014, 04:44:38 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 21, 2014, 02:59:40 PM
CC how have you dealt with this with your boys? Don't ask, don't tell? Some sort of serious talk?

It is something I dealt with directly.  I did not want them thinking that porn is normative.  The problem is I think that a lot of people are beginning to think it is.

By "dealt with directly" you mean you sat down with them and talked about porn?

crazy canuck

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on November 21, 2014, 05:17:07 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 21, 2014, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2014, 05:06:41 PM
Newsflash: humanity will manage.

Humanity can go hang - I just want to make sure I do the best I can for my boys.

With the internet available I think it becomes even more important to have conversations about such matters with one's children, we need to be more open about such matters than we have been in the past.

Agreed.  But I am not sure BB is saying otherwise.

Ideologue

Quote from: Jacob on November 21, 2014, 06:47:02 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 21, 2014, 06:40:56 PMIt is, depending on what yoy mean. The content is normative, by and large (adjusting for "pro" porns unrealistic blocking). The hyperrealism of porn resides mostly in its attributes as a movie, namely editing.

I understood what CC meant, but I'm not sure what you mean?

Most porn is girl boy, oral, vaginal, shallow end DS (if that), concluding with male orgasm. Normative as apple pie, in terms of content. Worst lesson you can learn is that women easily have orgasms from vaginal intercourse, and even this is a disappearing idea. The porn that isn't normative mostly just involves more than 2 partners, but the same basic stuff. There is occasionally anal, which is also mainstream, albeit overrepresented in porn.

The introduction of editing, aside from compressing time and hiding mistakes, also presents a more exciting, less monotonous, but also less realustic picture of sex. Cutting from shot to shot is already removing it from reality: cuts from scene to scene have no analogue in real human experience.

Then again, bukkake movies are usually a long take, and I don't think we'd call those realistic.

But the main point is that cinematic language is used to heighten the act being filmed, and that level of visual stimulation is not realistic.

Fwiw, tho, the actual subjects of porn are a lot more realistic and represent a greater range.of humanity than "real" movies.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Jacob on November 21, 2014, 06:47:50 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 21, 2014, 04:44:38 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 21, 2014, 02:59:40 PM
CC how have you dealt with this with your boys? Don't ask, don't tell? Some sort of serious talk?

It is something I dealt with directly.  I did not want them thinking that porn is normative.  The problem is I think that a lot of people are beginning to think it is.

By "dealt with directly" you mean you sat down with them and talked about porn?

Yes.  I think it would be silly for a parent to pretend that their boys dont know it is out there and cant easily access it.  We have had very frank discussions about how much of the porn out there is unrealistic fantasy, degrading to women and potentially harmful to their relationships if they normalize that behaviour (of course I put it in different terms).  I also try to make sure they also understand sex in real life is different, important and a natural part of adult life.


crazy canuck

Quote from: Ideologue on November 21, 2014, 07:11:21 PM
Fwiw, tho, the actual subjects of porn are a lot more realistic and represent a greater range.of humanity than "real" movies.

A big part of parenting in the early years is explaining that pretty much everything they see on a screen isnt "real".

Ideologue

CC, what behavior depicted in porn is not healthy? Serious question.
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MadImmortalMan

TBH, I'm no longer convinced that what is depicted in porn isn't like real life any more. What happens in real life has changed since some of you guys were young.
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Josquius

The research that suggests porn on tap can reaply screw with teenage minds ia quite convincing. It is disturbing stuff
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Ideologue

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 21, 2014, 07:43:14 PM
TBH, I'm no longer convinced that what is depicted in porn isn't like real life any more. What happens in real life has changed since some of you guys were young.

No, seriously, as long as we're sticking to mainstream porn, what isn't?  Anal.  Chick don't (usually) really dig anal.  (Then again some chicks do.)  And I've found that most people aren't too into group sex, or only want to do it when they're drunk, and I really dislike drunken sex.

But as far as girl-boy scenes goes, I dunno what acts we're talking about.  Any sex that doesn't take place through a hole in a curtain and end with a procreation-oriented creampie?  What?
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crazy canuck

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 21, 2014, 07:43:14 PM
TBH, I'm no longer convinced that what is depicted in porn isn't like real life any more. What happens in real life has changed since some of you guys were young.

That is exactly what BB is talking about.  The sorts of degrading acts that would have seemed beyond the pale when I was young have become "normal" because so many people watch it being performed in porn on the internet.
Quote from: Ideologue on November 21, 2014, 07:19:56 PM
CC, what behavior depicted in porn is not healthy? Serious question.

anything depicting violence or lack of consent for starters.