Man Jailed for 18 Years Despite 13 Alibi Witnesses including sheriff’s deputy

Started by jimmy olsen, November 20, 2014, 07:59:17 PM

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2014, 05:03:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2014, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 21, 2014, 11:25:57 AM
You've worked in the system, you know better than that.  You don't screw around with conviction rates.

Just makes me want to take the LSATs and open a law firm with Ide, specializing in overly dramatic courtroom performance art.

Only if you aim at proving the innocence of your clients with interpretative dance.

Jazz Hands of Justice.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Barrister on November 21, 2014, 05:05:57 PM
Really?  Do they care about conviction rates down there?

It's just like Corporate America;  you don't perform, you don't move on.  And that's just for the ones that don't face elections.

QuoteOther than to say I'm 2 for 2 today.  :)

Which one was actually innocent?

grumbler

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2014, 05:15:46 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2014, 05:03:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2014, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 21, 2014, 11:25:57 AM
You've worked in the system, you know better than that.  You don't screw around with conviction rates.

Just makes me want to take the LSATs and open a law firm with Ide, specializing in overly dramatic courtroom performance art.

Only if you aim at proving the innocence of your clients with interpretative dance.

Jazz Hands of Justice.
I could see you doing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPX5ZiZ9-bk  :lol:
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jimmy olsen

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 21, 2014, 11:25:57 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2014, 11:10:11 AM
One would think somewhere down the line it might've been mentioned that one of the roles of a prosecutor is to prosecute the right person, not the easiest.  Or that it's OK to question an investigation's findings prior to court proceedings.  Fruit of the poisoned tree, and all that?  Do they not teach that in law school anymore?

You've worked in the system, you know better than that.  You don't screw around with conviction rates.
They prosecute so many peope every year, how much could one case change it? A fraction of a percent.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

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jimmy olsen

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 21, 2014, 11:01:57 AM


Third unless there is an ineffective assistance claim or some grotesque fraud by the prosecution, the courts don't care whether you are actually innocent or not.
The biggest problem on this list. Best way to change it?
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: grumbler on November 21, 2014, 06:52:58 PM
I could see you doing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPX5ZiZ9-bk  :lol:

Flipping the fuck out Pacino-style?  Most definitely.   :lol:

The great thing about that movie is so much of it was filmed inside the Circuit Court, and not a single bit of that courthouse has changed since then.  Even those ugly ass uncomfortable chairs.  111 N. Calvert Street.  Good times.

Barrister

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2014, 05:19:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 21, 2014, 05:05:57 PM
Really?  Do they care about conviction rates down there?

It's just like Corporate America;  you don't perform, you don't move on.  And that's just for the ones that don't face elections.

QuoteOther than to say I'm 2 for 2 today.  :)

Which one was actually innocent?

Neither of them.  Drunk driver had his BAC analyzed to confirm his drunkenness, dude who attempted to steal from the casino had his theft captured on multiple CCTV cameras.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

dps

Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2014, 07:56:31 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on November 21, 2014, 11:01:57 AM


Third unless there is an ineffective assistance claim or some grotesque fraud by the prosecution, the courts don't care whether you are actually innocent or not.
The biggest problem on this list. Best way to change it?

To make people who don't care, care?  Good luck with that.

And really, judges caring about whether a defendant is guilty or innocent isn't a problem the way you think it is in that guilt or innocence is a question of fact that is supposed to be determined by the jury.  Trial judges are just there to make sure all the rules about how the trial is supposed to be conducted are followed, and to pass sentence if the defendant is convicted.  Appellate judges generally don't look at questions of fact, but rather questions of law.