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Putin to Western elites: Play-time is over

Started by Jacob, October 30, 2014, 11:36:01 PM

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Jacob

Oh gosh, he really doesn't play around does he: http://cluborlov.blogspot.fi/2014/10/putin-to-western-elites-play-time-is.html

Curious how this significant speech - the linked blog compares it the Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech of 1946 - has gotten so little coverage in the West.

QuoteIn this speech, Putin abruptly changed the rules of the game. Previously, the game of international politics was played as follows: politicians made public pronouncements, for the sake of maintaining a pleasant fiction of national sovereignty, but they were strictly for show and had nothing to do with the substance of international politics; in the meantime, they engaged in secret back-room negotiations, in which the actual deals were hammered out. Previously, Putin tried to play this game, expecting only that Russia be treated as an equal. But these hopes have been dashed, and at this conference he declared the game to be over, explicitly violating Western taboo by speaking directly to the people over the heads of elite clans and political leaders.

A watershed moment in history indeed.

DGuller

Can someone write up the cliff notes?  And can someone else write up the cliff notes for the cliff notes?

jimmy olsen

Lol. If he really believes that then let him come. NATO will wreck him.
Quote2. All systems of global collective security now lie in ruins. There are no longer any international security guarantees at all. And the entity that destroyed them has a name: The United States of America.
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Syt

Quote from: Jacob on October 30, 2014, 11:36:01 PM
Oh gosh, he really doesn't play around does he: http://cluborlov.blogspot.fi/2014/10/putin-to-western-elites-play-time-is.html

Curious how this significant speech - the linked blog compares it the Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech of 1946 - has gotten so little coverage in the West.

QuoteIn this speech, Putin abruptly changed the rules of the game. Previously, the game of international politics was played as follows: politicians made public pronouncements, for the sake of maintaining a pleasant fiction of national sovereignty, but they were strictly for show and had nothing to do with the substance of international politics; in the meantime, they engaged in secret back-room negotiations, in which the actual deals were hammered out. Previously, Putin tried to play this game, expecting only that Russia be treated as an equal. But these hopes have been dashed, and at this conference he declared the game to be over, explicitly violating Western taboo by speaking directly to the people over the heads of elite clans and political leaders.

A watershed moment in history indeed.

Some papers here covered it - briefly - under "Putin blames destabilization of the world on U.S." or "Putin blames U.S. for all evil" (depending on the general hysteria level of the paper), and "Putin accuses U.S. of wanting to reshape the world in her image."
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Valmy

It is just so insane there really is nothing to say. 
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The Brain

Did he keep his shirt on? Then I don't care.
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Josquius

Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 30, 2014, 11:43:06 PM
Lol. If he really believes that then let him come. NATO will wreck him.
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Zanza

Why should we give a shit about his grandstanding?

The Brain

Damn that Western taboo about speaking to people directly! Damn damn damn! :mad:
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Syt

The speech is probably also "retaliation" for the U.S. speech at the UN when Russia was listed as one of the three great evils in the world at the moment (with IS and Ebola).
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Martinus

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Quote from: Zanza on October 31, 2014, 02:56:56 AM
Why should we give a shit about his grandstanding?

Exactly what I thought. Who is the idiot blogger quoted in the OP, by the way?

Edit: Apparently his name is Dmitry Orlov. A stupid Russkie shit praising Putin. Film at 11.

Martinus

By the way, is this what Languish has come to now? We post idiot articles to make fun of? First Habbaku posts about the "racial jihad" and now this.

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Martinus on October 31, 2014, 03:34:45 AM
By the way, is this what Languish has come to now? We post idiot articles to make fun of? First Habbaku posts about the "racial jihad" and now this.
You could post some more threads instead.
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Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
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Jet: I see.
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: Syt on October 31, 2014, 03:09:37 AM
The speech is probably also "retaliation" for the U.S. speech at the UN when Russia was listed as one of the three great evils in the world at the moment (with IS and Ebola).

So should NK and Iran feel relieved or insulted for having been demoted from the list?  :hmm:
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Syt

http://rt.com/politics/201111-russia-rules-us-naryshkin/

QuoteWe will never play by US rules – State Duma chief

The State Duma speaker believes the US want to stop mutual dialogue between Russia and Europe, but this will not happen as Russia will keep looking for every opportunity to mend ties with its neighbors.

Russia's top parliamentarian said in an interview with the popular daily, Komsomolskaya Pravda, that proper political work required constant contact not only with allies but also with opponents.

"This is important and those who wish us harm, first of all certain representatives of the United States, would like to deprive us, themselves and Europe an equal dialogue on key urgent questions," Naryshkin told the newspaper.

"Let us not play by their rules, not do what they are pressing for. If we help them in this it would be a big present to the 'hawks.' On the contrary, we will seek for every opportunity to hold a dialogue so that everyone can hear our position," the Duma speaker added.

In September, Naryshkin told fellow lawmakers in a parliamentary speech that recent steps taken by the United States and its allies were "cynical and irresponsible" and could result in a renewal of the Cold War.

Naryshkin also noted in his speech that the chaos in the center of Europe has not cooled the belligerent moods of those who provoked it six months ago. He highlighted the recent NATO summit as one of the factors ratcheting up tensions.

At the same time, Naryshkin said the situation would unmask misdeeds and the real truth would be shown to ordinary European citizens. "We see that many citizens of European nations, who are practically living under an information blockade, have started to inconveniently question their national authorities."

In April this year, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe approved an anti-Russian resolution over the political crisis in Ukraine, depriving the Russian delegation of the right to vote and banning it from participation in PACE's ruling bodies and monitoring missions till the end of the year.

In reply, the State Duma made a statement claiming nations who repeatedly violated international law, causing thousands of casualties, have no moral right to judge Russia or impose sanctions on it. Russian MPs also stated that they consider it impossible to resume dialogue at PACE while sanctions against Russia are still in force.
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