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The Old Republic - Holy F*cking Crap!

Started by jimmy olsen, June 13, 2009, 05:07:13 PM

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Syt

#60
June 17, 2009, 12:16:46 AM
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Berkut

#61
June 17, 2009, 07:14:12 AM
Well, it is pretty clear that you either have to go with lots of Jedi, so everyone can be one, or no Jedi. Apparently they learned from SWG that no Jedi is no deal, so I guess it has to be this way.

As long as they are not too slavish to canon, it could still work. If the MMO is "typical", there are some roles that a Jedi may not be great at, like ranged DPS and tank, leaving room for the need for some other classes.
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#62
June 17, 2009, 08:47:27 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 16, 2009, 08:04:35 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 16, 2009, 02:39:42 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 14, 2009, 10:49:12 PM
A general star wars question here. Powerful Sith can use force lightning but I don't think I've ever seen a Jedi Knight use it. Is there an ability that a powerful Jedi can use that a Sith lord can't?
Healing.
And Jedi are not incapable of using force ligthning, but they chose no to kill with the Force.

That's bullshit, what's the moral difference between using a lightsaber to kill someone and using force lightning? After all only someone skilled in the use of the force can use a lightsaber correctly.
Yoda says that a Jedi can never use the force directly for an attack.  Thus, only two characters have ever used force lightning, and both of them were Sith.
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Berkut

#63
June 17, 2009, 08:52:37 AM
But Yoda may be the most consitent failure ever seen in a movie. How that little shit could hang out with a Sith Lord for years without noticing is rather beyond me. He may be the worst Jedi Master ever.
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#64
June 17, 2009, 09:11:39 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 17, 2009, 08:52:37 AM
But Yoda may be the most consitent failure ever seen in a movie. How that little shit could hang out with a Sith Lord for years without noticing is rather beyond me. He may be the worst Jedi Master ever.
To be fair, nobody noticed.  The Emperor was sneaky as fuck, had the ability to mask his evil presence, and was more powerful than any Jedi.

Can you give me an example of a Jedi master that wasn't terrible?
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#65
June 17, 2009, 10:25:04 AM
All jedis are whiney-assed bitches, and thus should only be played by emo teens in this game.
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viper37

#66
June 17, 2009, 10:29:47 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 16, 2009, 08:04:35 PM
That's bullshit, what's the moral difference between using a lightsaber to kill someone and using force lightning? After all only someone skilled in the use of the force can use a lightsaber correctly.
Force Lightning is really only useful agaisnt a non-jedi opponent or an apprentice weaker than the master.
As we've seen with Yoda and Obi-wan, a fully trained Jedi can easily absorb the lightning with his hands or his lightsaber.

So in essence, it's use is against non-Force aware people, and it's use is a sign that you use your power to dominate other people, wich in essence is what leads to the dark side.  Jedis don't use their powers that way, and they usually don't attack first against sentient beings, they defend themselves.

And if you want to know more about Jedi philosophy and all the boring stuff, read the Star Wars books, in particular those concerning the Yuuzhan Vong invasion of the galaxy.  There are some boring books in the series wich deal almost entirely with that...
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#67
June 17, 2009, 10:52:07 AM
The Jedi failed the moment they neglected to assume control over the banking and media sectors. And over-reliance on invisible magical forces to move things around really saps manufacturing expertise and know-how over the long run.
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Neil

#68
June 17, 2009, 11:09:35 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 17, 2009, 10:52:07 AM
The Jedi failed the moment they neglected to assume control over the banking and media sectors. And over-reliance on invisible magical forces to move things around really saps manufacturing expertise and know-how over the long run.
I'm not sure how important the media sector was in the Galactic Republic.  The people and public opinion didn't seem to be a very important force in galactic government.  Also, given the nature of commerce in the Republic, pretty much the only way that the Jedi would have been able to consolidate the banking industry under their control is by force.  And as we saw, a Jedi might be hot shit in a small brawl, but they can't stand up to an opposing army.
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Darth Wagtaros

#69
June 17, 2009, 11:29:48 AM
From the movies it doesn't look like the Senate represents the Republic, they just fight territorial disputes for their home systems.  The 'Republic' is more a confederation of semi-independent states than a true united nation.  The Jedi's role was to provide some of the glue to hold that mess together.  Instead they became some unholy mix of space hippies and monks.
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Neil

#70
June 17, 2009, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 17, 2009, 11:29:48 AM
From the movies it doesn't look like the Senate represents the Republic, they just fight territorial disputes for their home systems.  The 'Republic' is more a confederation of semi-independent states than a true united nation.  The Jedi's role was to provide some of the glue to hold that mess together.  Instead they became some unholy mix of space hippies and monks.
It seems that there was some level of overarching authority, at least in the person of the Supreme Chancellor.  But yeah, given that a tiny, insignificant planet like Naboo, a powerful interstellar state like Alderaan and a large, powerful Trade Federation can all rate a single senator, you're probably right in that representation was on a sub-state basis.

Actually, the Empire was probably the best thing that ever happened to the Republic.  It really seemed to be a rather disorderly and terrible place.  Hopefully the Empire's reforms will turn out to be lasting.
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viper37

#71
June 17, 2009, 03:09:12 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2009, 11:38:35 AM
It seems that there was some level of overarching authority, at least in the person of the Supreme Chancellor.  But yeah, given that a tiny, insignificant planet like Naboo, a powerful interstellar state like Alderaan and a large, powerful Trade Federation can all rate a single senator, you're probably right in that representation was on a sub-state basis.
I'm still not clear if it's one planet - one senator or one system - one senator.

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Actually, the Empire was probably the best thing that ever happened to the Republic.  It really seemed to be a rather disorderly and terrible place.  Hopefully the Empire's reforms will turn out to be lasting.
Before Palpatine started to fuck up things, really, there was no need for a truly united Republic.  But yeah, that whole thing about the Republic not having an army is kinda like the UN and the Jedi as the Blue-Helmet peacekeepers with limited firepower at their disposal, again, except during the crisis.
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#72
June 17, 2009, 04:15:34 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 17, 2009, 03:09:12 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2009, 11:38:35 AM
It seems that there was some level of overarching authority, at least in the person of the Supreme Chancellor.  But yeah, given that a tiny, insignificant planet like Naboo, a powerful interstellar state like Alderaan and a large, powerful Trade Federation can all rate a single senator, you're probably right in that representation was on a sub-state basis.
I'm still not clear if it's one planet - one senator or one system - one senator.
Perhaps, but we have a pretty good indication that it's neither.
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Actually, the Empire was probably the best thing that ever happened to the Republic.  It really seemed to be a rather disorderly and terrible place.  Hopefully the Empire's reforms will turn out to be lasting.
Before Palpatine started to fuck up things, really, there was no need for a truly united Republic.  But yeah, that whole thing about the Republic not having an army is kinda like the UN and the Jedi as the Blue-Helmet peacekeepers with limited firepower at their disposal, again, except during the crisis.
I don't know.  The Republic seemed to have fairly regular crises caused by its inability to effectively control its territory and to allow for safe commerce and travel in the galaxy. 
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#73
June 17, 2009, 06:37:27 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2009, 09:11:39 AM
Can you give me an example of a Jedi master that wasn't terrible?
Qui-Gon Jinn, Dooku.
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#74
June 17, 2009, 07:04:29 PM
Mace Windu was kicking ass till that pansy emo Anakin stepped in.
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