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Started by Razgovory, October 20, 2014, 06:32:05 PM

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Razgovory

#105
October 21, 2014, 10:12:03 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 21, 2014, 08:56:41 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 21, 2014, 08:40:50 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 21, 2014, 08:38:01 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 21, 2014, 08:35:15 PM
I don't think a business really can be described as a true person that is able to consent or not.

I don't care.

Well you're in a bad mood.
Raz, concede the point when it has been refuted (or at least STFU).  Bribery is a conspiracy by the agent to steal from the principal.  Ultimately, the principal is always at least one person.

While the slavic mind is easily befuddled by Asiatic tricks, mine is not.  If the business is a separate person then the man running the business can't take bribes either since he is betraying that "person".  However, Yi seemed to consider that okay.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Eddie Teach

#106
October 21, 2014, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 21, 2014, 10:12:03 PM
While the slavic mind is easily befuddled by Asiatic tricks, mine is not.  If the business is a separate person then the man running the business can't take bribes either since he is betraying that "person".  However, Yi seemed to consider that okay.

The person taking the bribe either owns the business or he doesn't. If he doesn't own the business, he is betraying the owners. If he only partially owns the business, he is betraying his investors. If he owns the whole thing, it's not really a bribe.

A business is not a person, btw.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Razgovory

#107
October 21, 2014, 10:24:18 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 21, 2014, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 21, 2014, 10:12:03 PM
While the slavic mind is easily befuddled by Asiatic tricks, mine is not.  If the business is a separate person then the man running the business can't take bribes either since he is betraying that "person".  However, Yi seemed to consider that okay.

The person taking the bribe either owns the business or he doesn't. If he doesn't own the business, he is betraying the owners. If he only partially owns the business, he is betraying his investors. If he owns the whole thing, it's not really a bribe.

A business is not a person, btw.

I don't care.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

grumbler

#108
October 22, 2014, 05:00:51 AM
Quote from: dps on October 21, 2014, 09:15:42 PM

What about civil disobedience?
Well, the law includes the consequences, so you agree to suffer those in civil disobediance.  You cannot follow the rule of law and shoot the deputy when he comes to arrest you for violating the law.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Martinus

#109
October 22, 2014, 05:19:26 AM
Quote from: grumbler on October 22, 2014, 05:00:51 AM
Quote from: dps on October 21, 2014, 09:15:42 PM

What about civil disobedience?
Well, the law includes the consequences, so you agree to suffer those in civil disobediance.  You cannot follow the rule of law and shoot the deputy when he comes to arrest you for violating the law.

Also, rule of law is not an absolute or all-encompassing principle - just a principle for a good society. It does not mean that it never comes into conflict with other principles. Too often Languish debates seem to be dealing with absolutes.

crazy canuck

#110
October 22, 2014, 12:17:42 PM
I am in full agreement with Marti and Grumbler - end times?  :D

Jacob

#111
October 22, 2014, 12:36:39 PM
That is one of the signs, yes.
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