Huckabee Threatens To Leave GOP Over Gay Marriage, Abortion

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garbon

October 10, 2014, 12:20:38 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/huckabee-threatens-leave-gop-over-gay-marriage-abortion-184817498.html

How would I survive if Huckabee and I no longer had the same political affiliation? :cry:

QuoteFormer Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee says he will leave the GOP if Republicans abandon their ardent opposition to gay marriage and abortion.

Appearing on the American Family Association's radio show this week, Huckabee was discussing gay marriage and said: "If the Republicans want to lose guys like me — and a whole bunch of still God-fearing Bible-believing people — go ahead and just abdicate on this issue, and why you're at it, go ahead and say abortion doesn't matter, either."

"Because at that point, you lose me," Huckabee said. "I'm gone. I'll become an independent. I'll start finding people that have guts to stand. I'm tired of this."

His comments follow the Supreme Court this week opting not to take up gay marriage, effectively clearing the way for several states to start issuing same-sex marriage licenses.

"I am utterly exasperated with Republicans and the so-called leadership of the Republicans who have abdicated on this issue when, if they continue this direction they guarantee they're gonna lose every election in the future," Huckabee said. "Guarantee it."

"And I don't understand why they want to lose," he continued. "Because a lot of Republicans, particularly in the establishment and those who live on either the left coast or those who live up in the bubbles of New York and Washington, are convinced that if we don't capitulate on the same sex marriage issue and if we don't raise the white flag of surrender, and just the accept it as inevitable, we'll be losers."

"I tell you," Huckabee said. "It's the absolute opposite of that."
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Valmy

#1
October 10, 2014, 12:25:14 AM
But will he lose Shielbh's support? :hmm:
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

CountDeMoney

#2
October 10, 2014, 12:26:39 AM
I'm sure Huck will still have plenty of Christian love in his heart for you, in all your black gayness.

Martinus

#3
October 10, 2014, 12:30:26 AM
I think a better question is why do you choose to continue having the same party affiliation as this guy, garbon.

Valmy

#4
October 10, 2014, 12:31:16 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 10, 2014, 12:30:26 AM
I think a better question is why do you choose to continue having the same party affiliation as this guy, garbon.

Seems pretty obvious that the party is choosing garbon over Huck
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

11B4V

#5
October 10, 2014, 01:14:29 AM
Bye
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MadImmortalMan

#6
October 10, 2014, 01:40:46 AM
Oh please Mike. Start a fundamentalist third party and splinter the GOP vote all to hell.
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

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"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

derspiess

#7
October 10, 2014, 08:27:16 AM
Huck has some admirable qualities and he's genuinely a nice guy, but he kinda needs to fade into the background and be quiet for a while.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Darth Wagtaros

#8
October 10, 2014, 08:34:29 AM
This the one who pardoned a campaign contributor for a DUI after getting some big time bling from the guy's wife?
PDH!

viper37

#9
October 10, 2014, 09:44:40 AM
God-fearing Bible-believing people

All, the Christian God of love, to be feared by everyone.
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Sheilbh

#10
October 10, 2014, 06:37:25 PM
He's right. It'd be mad for the GOP to flip on either of these issues.

What they need to do is stay pro-life and to go Federalist on gay marriage.
Let's bomb Russia!

garbon

#11
October 10, 2014, 06:43:31 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 10, 2014, 06:37:25 PM
He's right. It'd be mad for the GOP to flip on either of these issues.

What they need to do is stay pro-life and to go Federalist on gay marriage.

:huh:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

garbon

#13
October 10, 2014, 06:52:17 PM
Can you expand on your reasoning?

Or rather as to your reasoning?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Sheilbh

#14
October 10, 2014, 07:02:28 PM
There's a big generational difference on gay marriage and opinion's shifted on it hugely. Neither's true on abortion:
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2014/03/07/chapter-2-generations-and-issues/

Also abortion's ultimately about Roe v Wade (my understanding is that Republicans have been successful at eroding and restricting access elsewhere) which is an issue that'll be decided by Presidential appointees, approved by the Senate. As long as that's the case and it's roughly 50-50 (or more likely 40-40 with 20% swinging depending on the politics of the time) it makes sense as a litmus test, especially as the activists on either side are committed, willing to volunteer and willing to donate/fundraise.

What Republicans need to do is use different language and try and reframe the issue. They need to avoid Akin like disasters and come up with a pro-life version of Clinton's reframing of the unpopular pro-choice message into 'safe, rare and legal'. At the same time, ultimately, gay marriage will win everywhere in the US. But there's still significant opposition in some areas and it'd be mad to just eschew those votes and could lead to strong enough third party of independent challenges. The best approach would be to have no GOP position but GOP positions. If Alabama wants to fight it, that's fine, but Vermont won't.

In addition the GOP has for the past 10 years been staunchly anti-gay marriage and, since Roe v Wade, it's been the pro-life party. To just switch on either would look absurd (and in the case of abortion be counter-productive) and it'd destroy trust with regular GOP voters while just inviting contempt and mockery from the pro-choicers and pro-gay marriage voters who are, most likely, most of the time already Democrats.

They shouldn't scorn their base, but try and expand them.
Let's bomb Russia!
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