Uber drivers are workers, UK supreme court rules

Started by garbon, October 02, 2014, 07:30:41 AM

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Gups

I think TfL has decided that this is the only way they can get Uber to behave responsibly. Looks like it will work and the license will be reinstated following guarantees given by Uber.


Josquius

Yes.
The headlines are screaming uber banned as if they will never operate in London again. But they just have to promise to behave more responsibly and reapply.
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Grey Fox

Rumors are that Uber will leave Quebec.

:yeah:
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Tamas

Quote from: Grey Fox on September 26, 2017, 08:02:50 AM
Rumors are that Uber will leave Quebec.

:yeah:

Easier exploitation of people this way in Quebec! :yeah:

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Grey Fox on September 26, 2017, 08:02:50 AM
Rumors are that Uber will leave Quebec.

:yeah:

That should help your rickshaw business immensely.
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Grey Fox

Quote from: Tamas on September 26, 2017, 08:25:37 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 26, 2017, 08:02:50 AM
Rumors are that Uber will leave Quebec.

:yeah:

Easier exploitation of people this way in Quebec! :yeah:

:huh: Uber is the one exploiting people, mate.
Colonel Caliga is Awesome.

HVC

Quote from: Tamas on September 26, 2017, 08:25:37 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 26, 2017, 08:02:50 AM
Rumors are that Uber will leave Quebec.

:yeah:

Easier exploitation of people this way in Quebec! :yeah:

Don't worry, they'll probably subsidize taxi fares and make the rest of Canada pay for it


:P
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Habbaku

Quote from: Grey Fox on September 26, 2017, 08:47:40 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 26, 2017, 08:25:37 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 26, 2017, 08:02:50 AM
Rumors are that Uber will leave Quebec.

:yeah:

Easier exploitation of people this way in Quebec! :yeah:

:huh: Uber is the one exploiting people, mate.

Does Quebec/Montreal have taxi guilds?
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Tamas

Quote from: Grey Fox on September 26, 2017, 08:47:40 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 26, 2017, 08:25:37 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 26, 2017, 08:02:50 AM
Rumors are that Uber will leave Quebec.

:yeah:

Easier exploitation of people this way in Quebec! :yeah:

:huh: Uber is the one exploiting people, mate.

Are they

a) forcing their drivers to work for them
b) forcing people to pay more than necessary for taxi fares
c) both

?

Grey Fox

They refuse to see their employees
Quote from: Habbaku on September 26, 2017, 09:57:33 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 26, 2017, 08:47:40 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 26, 2017, 08:25:37 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 26, 2017, 08:02:50 AM
Rumors are that Uber will leave Quebec.

:yeah:

Easier exploitation of people this way in Quebec! :yeah:

:huh: Uber is the one exploiting people, mate.

Does Quebec/Montreal have taxi guilds?

Kind of, it's highly regulated.
Colonel Caliga is Awesome.

Grey Fox

Quote from: Tamas on September 26, 2017, 10:06:29 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 26, 2017, 08:47:40 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 26, 2017, 08:25:37 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 26, 2017, 08:02:50 AM
Rumors are that Uber will leave Quebec.

:yeah:

Easier exploitation of people this way in Quebec! :yeah:

:huh: Uber is the one exploiting people, mate.

Are they

a) forcing their drivers to work for them
b) forcing people to pay more than necessary for taxi fares
c) both

?

They refuse to play by the rules & to considered their employees, employees.

Always screaming & crying while ranking up bank for doing NOTHING.
Colonel Caliga is Awesome.

HVC

they've paid 7 million in a special tax/bribe over their test run, so that's good at least.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Berkut

If Uber drivers can negotiate themselves a better deal by acting collectively, good for them.

But the argument that people working in a free society at a voluntary job entered into of their own free will are "exploited"?

Bullshit.
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HVC

Quote from: Berkut on September 29, 2017, 03:06:53 PM
If Uber drivers can negotiate themselves a better deal by acting collectively, good for them.

But the argument that people working in a free society at a voluntary job entered into of their own free will are "exploited"?

Bullshit.

I don't know enough about uber to comment on them, but there are  jobs entered under voluntary status that are exploitive, such as migrant fruit pickers or sweatshop workers (i'm thinking ones in the western world in this scenario)
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Tamas

Quote from: HVC on September 29, 2017, 03:35:56 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 29, 2017, 03:06:53 PM
If Uber drivers can negotiate themselves a better deal by acting collectively, good for them.

But the argument that people working in a free society at a voluntary job entered into of their own free will are "exploited"?

Bullshit.

I don't know enough about uber to comment on them, but there are  jobs entered under voluntary status that are exploitive, such as migrant fruit pickers or sweatshop workers (i'm thinking ones in the western world in this scenario)

Ignoring extreme cases like keeping these migrant workers locked up as slaves, the thing is, that the only competitive advantage they have over others is their cheapness. Is it really exploiting, when under any other circumstances, they would not get the job?