Incest a 'fundamental right', German committee says

[jimmy olsen]

Fucking sick!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11119062/Incest-a-fundamental-right-German-committee-says.html

Incest a 'fundamental right', German committee says
Anti-incest laws in Germany could be scrapped after a government-backed group said relationships between brothers and sisters should be legal

By Justin Huggler, Berlin

4:09PM BST 24 Sep 2014

Laws banning incest between brothers and sisters in Germany could be scrapped after a government ethics committee said the they were an unacceptable intrusion into the right to sexual self-determination.

"Criminal law is not the appropriate means to preserve a social taboo," the German Ethics Council said in a statement. "The fundamental right of adult siblings to sexual self-determination is to be weighed more heavily than the abstract idea of protection of the family."

Their intervention follows a notorious case in which a brother and sister living as partners in Saxony had four children together. The couple had been raised separately and only met when the brother, identified only as Patrick S, was an adult, and his sister Susan K was 16.

Patrick S was sentenced to more than three years in prison for incest and the couple have since failed in their bid to have the guilty verdict overturned by the European Court of Human Rights.

The family was forced to live apart after the courts ruled that there was a duty to protect their children from the consequences of their relationship.

Two of the couple's children are disabled, and it is believed that incest carries a higher risk of resulting in children with genetic abnormalities.

But the Ethics Council dismissed that argument, on the basis that other genetically affected couples are not banned from having children.

The Council said it based its recommendation on extensive research, in which it found many incestuous couples are forced to live in secret.

In one case, it found a woman was being blackmailed by her father and ex-husband, who threatened to depive her of access to her children unless she ended a new relationship with her half-brother.

Incest remains illegal in the UK and most European countries, although France abolished its incest laws under Napoleon I and there has been growing debate over the taboo in Germany.

Around two to four per cent of Germans have had "incestuous experiences", according to an estimate by the Max Planck Institute.

But a spokeswoman for Angela Merkel's ruling Christian Democrats indicated the government was unlikely to adopt the Ethics Council's recommendations.

"The abolition of the offense of incest between siblings would be the wrong signal," said Elisabeth Winkelmeier-Becker, legal policy spokeswoman for the party's group in parliament.

"Eliminating the threat of punishment against incestuous acts within families would run counter to the protection of undisturbed development for children."

[Syt]

Two of the couple's children are disabled, and it is believed that incest carries a higher risk of resulting in children with genetic abnormalities.

But the Ethics Council dismissed that argument, on the basis that other genetically affected couples are not banned from having children.

This is the main point in a nutshell. In general, the state doesn't rule who can and can't procreate.

[Neil]

Two of the couple's children are disabled, and it is believed that incest carries a higher risk of resulting in children with genetic abnormalities.

But the Ethics Council dismissed that argument, on the basis that other genetically affected couples are not banned from having children.

This is the main point in a nutshell. In general, the state doesn't rule who can and can't procreate.

Which is a huge mistake.  That's exactly what the state should be doing.

[Grey Fox]

"Criminal law is not the appropriate means to preserve a social taboo."

[Gups]

Two of the couple's children are disabled, and it is believed that incest carries a higher risk of resulting in children with genetic abnormalities.

But the Ethics Council dismissed that argument, on the basis that other genetically affected couples are not banned from having children.

This is the main point in a nutshell. In general, the state doesn't rule who can and can't procreate.

Which is a huge mistake.  That's exactly what the state should be doing.

At any rate where the state is under a legal obligation to underwirte the welfare of such children.

[Grinning_Colossus]

"Criminal law is not the appropriate means to preserve a social taboo."

It's like they don't understand what criminal law is.

[Tamas]

Fine, but then the state shouldn't sponsor the care of the inbred children.

[Syt]

Fine, but then the state shouldn't sponsor the care of the inbred children.

What about other children with birth defects? From parents who had a high likelihood of having disabled offspring? Who is going to decide which human is eligible for care and which isn't?

Also, you would punish the children for something that was not in their power to change.

[grumbler]

Fine, but then the state shouldn't sponsor the care of the inbred children.

Biologically speaking, it is way, way too late to talk about "inbred" among humans as though it could be avoided.  Humans evolved inbred (and maybe as a result of inbreeding).

[Tamas]

Fine, but then the state shouldn't sponsor the care of the inbred children.

What about other children with birth defects? From parents who had a high likelihood of having disabled offspring? Who is going to decide which human is eligible for care and which isn't?

Also, you would punish the children for something that was not in their power to change.

Nah, of course it's not a solution. I just wanted to point out to the extreme selfishness of the stance of the incest couple. They create a burden to their offsprings and to society, but who cares, since they enjoy their funtime in bed. Aholes.

[derspiess]

"Criminal law is not the appropriate means to preserve a social taboo."

It is if the taboo is really, really gross.

[HVC]

Single generation inbreeding doesn't cause mutant  babies. If it did all our domesticated animals would be drooling three legged monstrosities.

[Grey Fox]

"Criminal law is not the appropriate means to preserve a social taboo."

It is if the taboo is really, really gross.

Why do you hate The Brain & his lovers?

[Eddie Teach]

Fucking sick!

Is your sister so ugly she merits all 3 ? 

[Viking]

Single generation inbreeding doesn't cause mutant  babies. If it did all our domesticated animals would be drooling three legged monstrosities.

First cousin incest does cause a much higher rate of birth defects and mental and physical retardation. With our domestic animals it results in all the breed specific illnesses found in domestic dogs and it cases massive amounts of still borns and runts.