Human Rights Watch Warns of 'Authoritarian Drift' in Turkey

[Berkut]

I want to be outraged, but I know even my outrage is wasted on Trump and people who support him. They simply don't care - not only do they not care, they actually take delight in the outrage of the rational.

When Trump lies, his fans don't just ignore the lie, they love it. It is, for them, a sign of his power that even the truth is no bound on him and what he can say. It isn't that the truth doesn't matter, it is exactly the opposite. Only the weak would care about such things.

This is why derspeiss for example can actually say something like "Sure Trump is a mess, but he is better than Hillary!". Because the truth not only does not matter, it is actually that the truth is an active negative to be disparaged and mocked. It doesn't matter that all that bullshit about her emails turned up nothing substantial, because Trump had millions and millions at his inauguration, and won the electoral college by the largest margin in history.

[derspiess]

Not only are you suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, but apparently you've also developed Derspiess Derangement Syndrome.  So sad!

[Valmy]

Not only are you suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, but apparently you've also developed Derspiess Derangement Syndrome.  So sad!

Oh is it now deranged to NOT cheer on dictators? You really are embracing this Cold War Democrat stuff you self-identify as.

[CountDeMoney]

I...see...

Yeah I have nothing.

You have exactly what you were told you were going to get.

[Valmy]

You have exactly what you were told you were going to get.

Somehow I still get surprised.

[CountDeMoney]

You have exactly what you were told you were going to get.

Somehow I still get surprised.

You better flush out your head gear, new guy.  This isn't about freedom.

[derspiess]

Oh is it now deranged to NOT cheer on dictators?

Never said that.  It was a stupid move on his part, and even worse to publicize it like he did.  I know he did this in the context of galvanizing Erdogan's support for his Syria policy (another stupid move IMO), but there's no excuse. 

Trump's a bad seed.  What am I supposed to do??

You really are embracing this Cold War Democrat stuff you self-identify as.

Cut that out now.

[derspiess]

You have exactly what you were told you were going to get.

Somehow I still get surprised.

You better flush out your head gear, new guy.  This isn't about freedom.

[Valmy]

Cut that out now.

[CountDeMoney]

derfetusfacefucker: the Barry Manilow of Trump voters

[Berkut]

Not only are you suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, but apparently you've also developed Derspiess Derangement Syndrome.  So sad!

Of course, the truth doesn't matter, so say whatever you like, Sean. Keep defending Trump though.

[derspiess]

Okay so now I'm Hannity?  YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR SIR

[The Larch]

Apparently the EU is requesting an investigation into alleged irregularities in the referendum claimed by international observers. They're talking of 1.5 million votes that were accepted late in the process that would have been invalidated in past elections.

[Jacob]

Apologies - I did not mean to say that their reactionary vote was inexplicable (which, politically, is a way to paint them as dangerous). On the contrary, I think there are many ways to explain their vote. What I meant to suggest is that the move to normalize the immigrant experience - which has the laudable goal of making immigrants of today similar to those of the past - often glosses over the changes in communication, connection, and feeling of belonging that happened in the last hundred years. In short, if the "liberal perspective" is just to wait until assimilation "happens", I fear it may not be sufficient to address the political challenges of our times.

Yeah, I think that boat has sailed in Europe a while ago. I don't, however, think that the sailing was due to modern communication technology but other facts. Because, IMO, the "liberal perspective" where assimilation "happens" is still working fairly well here in Canada and we have the same technology exposure as they have in Europe - so while there may be complicated and intractable issues facing Europe on the subject of immigration and integration I don't think it's down to technology particularly. People have always been good at communicating and staying aware of things they cared about, and expat communities with strong connections to the internal political struggles of their country of origin has been a feature of pretty much all recorded history.

[Valmy]

I am not sure that boat was ever in port in Europe with its long history of ethnic strife, though some countries did better than others.